Saarloos on 'Dogs Today' magazine

[Wolfsirius]

A bit OT, but i have a question; Paul, i have magazine "dogs today" september 2006, there is story of csv and swh written by Anneka Svenska. Can you tell me which dogs are in fotos, in magazine? There is foto of grey saarloos owned by you (in text said so) and csv owned by you , then is foto where you are with bigger pack,laying on the ground with wolfdogs and foto of 2 red saarloos. Are this pack yours, and these 2 red ones? If not, where is fotos taken, and which are dogs, dogs owned by you, and other dogs, if all is not yours? Just for interest.
Thank you. - Suski

[nanouk]

Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

A bit OT, but i have a question; Paul, i have magazine "dogs today" september 2006, there is story of csv and swh written by Anneka Svenska. Can you tell me which dogs are in fotos, in magazine? There is foto of grey saarloos owned by you (in text said so) and csv owned by you , then is foto where you are with bigger pack,laying on the ground with wolfdogs and foto of 2 red saarloos. Are this pack yours, and these 2 red ones? If not, where is fotos taken, and which are dogs, dogs owned by you, and other dogs, if all is not yours? Just for interest.
Thank you. - Suski

Paul seems to choose to ignore your question, but is it possible for you to scan this article? or is there another way to aquire the article? Just would like to have it for my collection of information in magazines and newspapers on the SWH

[Wolfsirius]

I sent private message to you, just asked your email for article.

Suski

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by nanouk

Paul seems to choose to ignore your question, but is it possible for you to scan this article? or is there another way to aquire the article? Just would like to have it for my collection of information in magazines and newspapers on the SWH

hi i did reply to wolfsrius, my reply was the sarloos in one of the pics are dogs breed by mr Keizer, i stated that i was told these were not pure bred saarloos and i had to go to meeting in Holland to view evidence, after this i had to get appology put in magazine stating the dogs in the pic were not pure saarloos but cross bred dogs, so here is the answer to your question ,paul

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by nanouk

Paul seems to choose to ignore your question, but is it possible for you to scan this article? or is there another way to aquire the article? Just would like to have it for my collection of information in magazines and newspapers on the SWH

hi i sent you private email regarding your saarloos dog with info on it, you have not replied??? you can have all my magazine clips very soon, they will be printed in feb 2008, i will put full copy on my web site,paul

[Wolfsirius]

Thank you , Paul.
Still, i am in interested names of dogs you are owned (cause swh written owned by you seems very very beautiful for me) i would like to know, which dog is it? Also, names for rest swh interest me very much, especially these 2 red ones. Was it proven that these dogs are not purebreed, cause i had heard many people spoken that ANY OF DOGS OUTSIDE breedclub Holland is not purebreed. They said that to many people.

-Suski

[nanouk]

Originally Posted by pacino

hi i sent you private email regarding your saarloos dog with info on it, you have not replied??? you can have all my magazine clips very soon, they will be printed in feb 2008, i will put full copy on my web site,paul

yes , i have received your message, initial one, and have replied my SWH is called Amacho Axel de Louba Tar , born 30-01-00 (winrik tanguy eskalupa * vita dolce de louba tar) I am curious to know what you might have to tell about the lineage of my dog! Have not received a reply sofar...

[nanouk]

Originally Posted by pacino

hi i did reply to wolfsrius, my reply was the sarloos in one of the pics are dogs breed by mr Keizer, i stated that i was told these were not pure bred saarloos and i had to go to meeting in Holland to view evidence, after this i had to get appology put in magazine stating the dogs in the pic were not pure saarloos but cross bred dogs, so here is the answer to your question ,paul

seems like you (or I) have a problem with the forum, cause i fail to see your reply to Suski..

Did you know that the NVSWH has been making similair accusations about all SWH not bred by them for years now, and recently they have been forced by the dutch kennel club to take all accusations from their website ? in stead they run a look alike website, at the moment the dogs displayed there are as far as i know, and i know most lookalikes presented , are not bred by ca keizer

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

Thank you , Paul.
Still, i am in interested names of dogs you are owned (cause swh written owned by you seems very very beautiful for me) i would like to know, which dog is it? Also, names for rest swh interest me very much, especially these 2 red ones. Was it proven that these dogs are not purebreed, cause i had heard many people spoken that ANY OF DOGS OUTSIDE breedclub Holland is not purebreed. They said that to many people.

-Suski

hi suski, i know you are in contact with mrs Keizer, if you mail her the pics she will give you there pedigree names, i only know them by pet names witch of coarse will be of no use to you, i often give some dogs names i made up as i am not very good with names, its hard to remember all pedigree names but they will end with de louba tar, i know both were born in france at the kennels there mum is called zaza something,, as i said in other mails i do not go on hear say or rummours only facts, i do not know if dogs outside breed club are not pure bred, i do know the breed club dogs and i do know from shows in europe lots of dogs from various countries and breeders, do not look very like the saarloos from the club dogs, yes i remember the father was called johnny, mrs Keizer will know right away, tell her the litter that was born in the right side kennel block , zaza was bit sharp with me so Mrs Keizer had to bring them in to house, these are the two red dogs in photo,, regards paul

[Wolfsirius]

" suski, i know you are in contact with mrs Keizer"

Thank you Paul.

Yes, i had been in contact with mrs Keizer, like most SWH owners / breeders, i think. And i had wrote you about that time ago, as well.
(missing breeders topic)
I think mrs Keizer is so busy that she don't have time to answer my questions about dogs in magazine. I don't know. But i know, she is very busy lady. But, i will ask someday. I asked from you, cause i thought, you know, and as you are writing here on forum, i thought, you could have time to answer, and you did. Thank you for that. Any info about that grey SWH alone in foto? It was really nice for me.

Thank you. - Suski

[nanouk]

Originally Posted by nanouk

yes , i have received your message, initial one, and have replied my SWH is called Amacho Axel de Louba Tar , born 30-01-00 (winrik tanguy eskalupa * vita dolce de louba tar) I am curious to know what you might have to tell about the lineage of my dog! Have not received a reply sofar...

Paul, still no reply, i do not oppose if you give me the information you have openly in the forum!

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by nanouk

Paul, still no reply, i do not oppose if you give me the information you have openly in the forum!

Marija, suzanne, sonja ,maybe claudia or corrie can help you ,all your friends surely some of these people can help you, you need info ask Mrs Keizer i know you make contact with her , she is breeder of your dog, you did get my private reply i get auto mail when you open it on your computor,,

[nanouk]

Originally Posted by pacino

Marija, suzanne, sonja ,maybe claudia or corrie can help you ,all your friends surely some of these people can help you, you need info ask Mrs Keizer i know you make contact with her , she is breeder of your dog, you did get my private reply i get auto mail when you open it on your computor,,

paul you wrote me:

hi i have read your post, please tell me the parents names of your de louba tar dog, i will then tell you if your dog was falsly registerd or if it the pedigreee itself is fraudulent, this is not a game this is very serious and your dog may be one of over 200 dogs under investagation at present, not by me but a breed club, if there is any thing wrong with the papers i will give you phone number and you can speak to someone who will verify the facts, if there is a fault you do realise that when this comes out you will not be able to show your dog again,, there are many people who will have this problem very soon, i hoppe you are not one of them, paul

I have not recieved ANY answer, have received other Personal messages however, you have my permission to copy your personal message (which i have not recieved ) in the forum, you offer me information about the pedigree of my dog.
are you such a teaser who is just in the forum and writing personal messages in order to make waves, but don't put your money where your mouth is?

I am confident about the pedigree of my dog, you tell it might be otherwise, very serious indeed, than come with facts, not empty assumptions and than referals!

[Wolfsirius]

"you will not be able to show your dog again,, there are many people who will have this problem very soon, i hoppe you are not one of them, paul "

Paul; TO SHOW DOG AGAIN?? I think, if things are like you said, showing dogs (or not showing anymore) is smallest problem then.

I think many people have same questions, like i have; Why you do all this now? If you knew before, why now? If you were there as all "illegals" has happened, why you did not do anything, or open your mouth then?

This is not the most important, what i wanna say to you.
BUT:
Please, remember, as you attack C. Keizer, you attack hole saarlos wolfhond as a breed. If you want to destroy C. Keizer, what will happen to Saarloos Wolfhonds? There is quite many SWH , where is "louba-tar" in pedigree. By attacking Keizer, you attack in fact against the breed, this case. I am quite sure, that must happened something really bad, (between you and C.K) as you will take this all "in daylight" now.

-and one question more, what is your benefit in this case?

-Suski

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

"you will not be able to show your dog again,, there are many people who will have this problem very soon, i hoppe you are not one of them, paul "

Paul; TO SHOW DOG AGAIN?? I think, if things are like you said, showing dogs (or not showing anymore) is smallest problem then.

I think many people have same questions, like i have; Why you do all this now? If you knew before, why now? If you were there as all "illegals" has happened, why you did not do anything, or open your mouth then?

This is not the most important, what i wanna say to you.
BUT:
Please, remember, as you attack C. Keizer, you attack hole saarlos wolfhond as a breed. If you want to destroy C. Keizer, what will happen to Saarloos Wolfhonds? There is quite many SWH , where is "louba-tar" in pedigree. By attacking Keizer, you attack in fact against the breed, this case. I am quite sure, that must happened something really bad, (between you and C.K) as you will take this all "in daylight" now.

-and one question more, what is your benefit in this case?

-Suski

you say i attack mrs Keizer, i attack hole saarloos wolfhound as breed, i have seen all of the saarloos at de louba tar kennels and lots more from breedings, so how many are true saarloos? the saarloos breed is in safe hands, oh yes there are lots of so called saarloos with de louba tar in pedigree because you see thats were lies all the problems, the breed suffers from lots of health problems that have arrisin over the years, the saarloos from france begin to look like another breed this has been noticed at shows by many and for many years now, i have photos of saarloos and registered as saaloos that look nothing like a ssarloos in any way at all, also seen by lots at shows,, nothing bad happend betwwen myself and mrs Keizer, it was a result of what i discoverd going on , i reported all i knew to the club and was asked to be patient as other investagations were going on, there are plenty of true bred saarloos and the breed is in no danger, as for myself my saarloos have never been bred from all are castrated and living in new family homes enjoying life,,, i hope maybe one day to own a pure bred saarloos, there is a problem in the saarloos breed but not all is responable to mrs Keizer , paul

[Wolfsirius]

Ok. Thank you for info, Paul.

-Suski

[nanouk]

Originally Posted by pacino

you say i attack mrs Keizer, i attack hole saarloos wolfhound as breed, i have seen all of the saarloos at de louba tar kennels and lots more from breedings, so how many are true saarloos? the saarloos breed is in safe hands, oh yes there are lots of so called saarloos with de louba tar in pedigree because you see thats were lies all the problems, the breed suffers from lots of health problems that have arrisin over the years, the saarloos from france begin to look like another breed this has been noticed at shows by many and for many years now, i have photos of saarloos and registered as saaloos that look nothing like a ssarloos in any way at all, also seen by lots at shows,, nothing bad happend betwwen myself and mrs Keizer, it was a result of what i discoverd going on , i reported all i knew to the club and was asked to be patient as other investagations were going on, there are plenty of true bred saarloos and the breed is in no danger, as for myself my saarloos have never been bred from all are castrated and living in new family homes enjoying life,,, i hope maybe one day to own a pure bred saarloos, there is a problem in the saarloos breed but not all is responable to mrs Keizer , paul

Boah Paul, such a long posting, and not a minute time to answer my Q, my q that has risen from your offer to give me more info about the pedigree of my SWH ?
Kinda sad!

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by nanouk

Boah Paul, such a long posting, and not a minute time to answer my Q, my q that has risen from your offer to give me more info about the pedigree of my SWH ?
Kinda sad!

hi i will not be posting anything about your pedigree for your or mrs Keizers benifit , i am more concerned with helping people who really dont know what they have as a so called saarloos, if there are any problems with the pedigree or the registration then you will know at same time as everyone else, it will then be made clear to whoever is concerned by the breed club and the FCI,, paul

[nanouk]

Originally Posted by pacino

hi i will not be posting anything about your pedigree for your or mrs Keizers benifit , i am more concerned with helping people who really dont know what they have as a so called saarloos, if there are any problems with the pedigree or the registration then you will know at same time as everyone else, it will then be made clear to whoever is concerned by the breed club and the FCI,, paul

What BS Paul, You offered info, info that i didn't ask you for!
Now you come with a lame excuse that it would benifit me to find out what you have to say? It would benifit Corrie?

Never heard sucha load of crap! (excuse the language)

I am fully aware of some rumours, but still 100% believe i own a Saarloos, not only in appaerance, but also in temperament, movement etc...
If you have facts that say otherwise Ii would take them very serious, and take actions accordingly!

[Joswolf]

Paul said,-the saarloos breed is in safe hands,- is this so? Obvious you donot now that the nvSWH dog's allso have other breeds mixt in theyr population. And they breed with genetic sic dogs, proved by medical specialist's. According to them only they can breed SWH's. And all other are mixes. I have SWH from them and since we proved the problems in theyr population we are bad in theyr eyes. They asked RvB to take away our litters papers. But now they had to give it back and say sorry. Just out of hate. Allso the case with C.K. And now you let them use yourself?
Jos