MISSING credibility of the French pedigrees

admin · 24-06-2011, 12:42

Basing on the number of "strange" cases in France and the OBVIOUS cheating of the French pedigrees; basing on the number of 100% mixes (mongrels) born in this country. And taking into consideration the fact that the putting AWD in the breed was KNOWN and nothing has been done against it till now - and because the AWD mongrels spred in France more and more that at the moment only VERY FEW French kennels still breed REAL Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs I must ask about the credibility of the French pedigrees.

It seems that the French pedigrees are at the moment only a useless piece of paper which guaranty NOTHING. They do not even keep the the BASIC FCI rules about breeding pedigree dogs.

Till the case will be solved please DO NOT BUY ANY PUPPIES FROM FRANCE from the mentioned kennels or kennel which base on dogs coming from the AWD producers. If you are importing a puppy from France please ask on the forum if the puppy is purebreed because there are MANY known mongrels which are still not marked as "MIXES" in the database but will be listed soon or later (with the remark "DOG NOT FOR BREEDING).

If you like such type of the dogs please contact the American Wolfdog breeders or Saarloos breeders to get a puppy. Believe me - it is much cheaper than the AWD-cross with FCI fake CsW pedigree...

ArImInIuM · 25-06-2011, 18:17

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Originally Posted by admin

basing on the number of "strange" cases in france and the obvious cheating of the french pedigrees; basing on the number of 100% mixes (mongrels) born in this country. And taking into consideration the fact that the putting awd in the breed was known and nothing has been done against it till now - and because the awd mongrels spred in france more and more that at the moment only very few french kennels still breed real czechoslovakian wolfdogs i must ask about the credibility of the french pedigrees.

it seems that the french pedigrees are at the moment only a useless piece of paper which guaranty nothing. They do not even keep the the basic fci rules about breeding pedigree dogs.

till the case will be solved please do not buy any puppies from france from the mentioned kennels or kennel which base on dogs coming from the awd producers. If you are importing a puppy from france please ask on the forum if the puppy is purebreed because there are many known mongrels which are still not marked as "mixes" in the database but will be listed soon or later (with the remark "dog not for breeding).

If you like such type of the dogs please contact the american wolfdog breeders or saarloos breeders to get a puppy. Believe me - it is much cheaper than the awd-cross with fci fake csw pedigree...

mais pour qui il se prend ???? Pour insulter ainsi tous les eleveurs francais ????

but for who he takes?? To insult and all french farmers??

Pericles 40 · 25-06-2011, 18:31

hello!

particulier, un clt,venant de France, pere tcheque mere Francaise,c'est le plus beau

comme les votres

en Angleterre,comme en France,il y a du petit peuple,
c'est deplorable,et il est administrateur?? Bravo

Particular, a CzW coming from france with Czech Father and French Mother, like yours.
In England as in France there are "Small people", it's deplorable, and he is Admin?? Bravo!

Jet · 25-06-2011, 18:40

Admin, words are important. There is in France a lot of clean breeders, with pure CSV lines.

Please let the others French breeders out of your hunt. All beautifull french dogs are not mixed, you know?

Thx

@Martial & Fabrice, please moderate your Admin.

P.S. Best regards from France, to every CSV lover, all around the world.

vero et sa meute · 25-06-2011, 18:45

A la mode anglaise merci reverso je reprends votre post sur le forum anglais histoire de continuer ici aussi (ah désolée je ferais pas d'efforts perso pour cet écrit)

CERTAINLY NOT FOR GOD it would come out ariminium when has you mr the administrator(director) to dare to question chaa' rey charushila of the domain of the black passo del lupo coomb and spood dumbiera, to dare to question delco said hu' nass about the domain of the black coomb which measures has More of 70cm in the withers and the lineage have ca is going to make still some hay all this Mollynière de l' Oscale and passo del lupo and said I opposite and on a boxing ring that my dogs are shit but clearly the tests are very present thus to arreter to take you for the cat's whiskers and to look at what you take(bring) out before saying that eleveurs francais makes some shit ......................... seriousness take(go,bring) out with your dogs go to make a tour(ballot) in bit ca is going to make you think about the fact that has to be a Czech really

:twis ted:

Ps ===== > reassure I you really know the race?????

best regards
vero et sa meute from FRANCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

vero et sa meute · 25-06-2011, 19:10

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Originally Posted by ArImInIuM

mais pour qui il se prend ???? Pour insulter ainsi tous les eleveurs francais ????

but for who he takes?? To insult and all french farmers??

et bien les eleveurs francais sont des "MERDES" mais demander qu'on achète plus en france pathétique

désolée je traduis pas comme lui je fais pas d'effort

Well, the french breeders are "Shit",but ask people to not buy more French dogs, it's pathetic.

plongeuse · 25-06-2011, 19:21

Admin, do you realize what you write? French breeders produce all the shit! Bad breeders or apprentice sorcerers exist in ALL countries! So it's not because you suspect certain breeders, that you have criticize the entire French production! Be careful Admin, your words can cause great harm !!

Mikael · 25-06-2011, 19:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admin

Basing on the number of "strange" cases in France and the OBVIOUS cheating of the French pedigrees; basing on the number of 100% mixes (mongrels) born in this country. And taking into consideration the fact that the putting AWD in the breed was KNOWN and nothing has been done against it till now - and because the AWD mongrels spred in France more and more that at the moment only VERY FEW French kennels still breed REAL Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs I must ask about the credibility of the French pedigrees.

It seems that the French pedigrees are at the moment only a useless piece of paper which guaranty NOTHING. They do not even keep the the BASIC FCI rules about breeding pedigree dogs.

Till the case will be solved please DO NOT BUY ANY PUPPIES FROM FRANCE from the mentioned kennels or kennel which base on dogs coming from the AWD producers. If you are importing a puppy from France please ask on the forum if the puppy is purebreed because there are MANY known mongrels which are still not marked as "MIXES" in the database but will be listed soon or later (with the remark "DOG NOT FOR BREEDING).

If you like such type of the dogs please contact the American Wolfdog breeders or Saarloos breeders to get a puppy. Believe me - it is much cheaper than the AWD-cross with FCI fake CsW pedigree...

The credibility was lost a looooong time ago and as it is hard to keep 100% track of pure / not pure CsV, me and many many others breeder´s will not buy ore use ANY dogs from France until the situation is solved...

I guess the French CsV club has some work to do and they better start now !!!

The pureness of your Vlcaks has bean questioned, any serious breeder outside of France will not use your dogs / offspring’s, simply because of the risk of that there own breeding of pure breed dogs will come into question...

Before the DNA test´s are made there will not be any way to prove by 100% that the pedigree´s are pure... When Cs Vlcaks start to look and act like AWD, Saarloos or even Husky´s it is kind of obvious that the CsV club of the county must act... So before you blame the Admin, blame the CsV Club of France / the mix breeders

Regards / Mikael

Mikael · 25-06-2011, 19:48

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Originally Posted by plongeuse

Be careful Admin, your words can cause great harm !!

Yes they will, but only simply because that they are true !

Regards / Mikael

plongeuse · 25-06-2011, 20:18

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Originally Posted by Mikael

Yes they will, but only simply because that they are true !

Regards / Mikael

But not for ALL french breeders !

Nebulosa · 25-06-2011, 20:34

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Originally Posted by ArImInIuM

mais pour qui il se prend ???? Pour insulter ainsi tous les eleveurs francais ????

but for who he takes?? To insult and all french farmers??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jet

Admin, words are important. There is in France a lot of clean breeders, with pure CSV lines.

Please let the others French breeders out of your hunt. All beautifull french dogs are not mixed, you know?

Thx

@Martial & Fabrice, please moderate your Admin.

P.S. Best regards from France, to every CSV lover, all around the world.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vero et sa meute

et bien les eleveurs francais sont des "MERDES" mais demander qu'on achète plus en france pathétique

désolée je traduis pas comme lui je fais pas d'effort

Quote:

Originally Posted by plongeuse

Admin, do you realize what you write? French breeders produce all the shit! Bad breeders or apprentice sorcerers exist in ALL countries! So it's not because you suspect certain breeders, that you have criticize the entire French production! Be careful Admin, your words can cause great harm !!

All of them... all of them... all of them...

You all missed this part

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Originally Posted by Admin

France more and more that at the moment only VERY FEW French kennels still breed REAL Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs I must ask about the credibility of the French pedigrees.

And that's a sad truth, very few kennels still breed real CzW, the main problem is in france and for what we can see responsible breeders and people which is getting affected by these mixes are only waiting the time pass, the breeders give up on breed mixes and keep their own work without bother for all situation.
If we put it together with the fact that when we read French forum about these mixes the main thing we can see is "Admin is jealous, people is jealous, all the world is jealous, my dogs have DNA LALALALALA I cant hear you all, my dog is immune as it have DNA, they are nice wolfish dogs then they are good to the breed, jealous jealous jealous", the credibility gets completely lost.

Mikael · 25-06-2011, 20:35

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Originally Posted by plongeuse

But not for ALL french breeders !

Of course not, but if not even the French CsV club can say what is pure and what is not a pure CsV how can we trust any breeder

???

It is a French problem that is started by a very very few breeders in France, but as long as the CsV club in France can not control it, not many breeder´s outside of France will take the risk of buying a dog that later on might turn up on the list as a not pure Vlcak.

Sorry, but you must clean up your back yard to gain the trust again...

Very best regards / Mikael

Pericles 40 · 25-06-2011, 21:20

quand on lit ce que l'administrateur de WD,pense de la production Italienne ,Francaise, et meme Tcheque

j'en appelle a tous les eleveurs de ces pays pour ne plus vendre de clt aux Anglais,qu'ils se debrouillent avec leur cheptel

decidement, l'Angleterre restera " A JAMAIS" une petite ile, avec des gens a l'esprit aussi etriqué que leur pays

When you read what wolfdog.org Admin think about the breeders in italy, Czech and France, I ask all the breeders of these countries to not more sell dogs to England, that they cope with their breeding stock.

Definetely, England will remain "forever" as a small island, with people with the spirit so narrow as their country

Pericles 40 · 25-06-2011, 21:43

sorry
for my English ,but the translator is a shit: Lol:
are you sure, you av'nt clt,strange?

perhaps you will be the nex ,be carrefull, the admi, is god!

ArImInIuM · 25-06-2011, 21:46

c'est sur que quand on voit ce que vous avez fait avec les tamaskans ....... et les derives qui ont suivies .......... vous êtes mal partis pour critiquer la façon dont certains éleveurs français travaillent........

Surely when you see what they've done with Tamaskans and their derivates, you're not right in criticize the way that some french breeders are working

Mikael · 25-06-2011, 21:59

English at the English forum please

Very best regards / Mikael

Pericles 40 · 25-06-2011, 22:03

Admi post in English on the French forum so

you do like us, you translate ,or you learn French!!like y "Baragouine" Anglais

and verry best regards to

Watchwolf · 25-06-2011, 22:18

Who are you to tell people what to do ?

Stop hide behind the pseudo Admin and after you can make that kind of decision, else you are nothing

yukidomari · 25-06-2011, 22:32

Why the hostilities in responses? I see Admin simply wrote that there are multiple kennels are using mixes, that not to buy from such kennel, .. That's all. Seems like a common sense warning when someone wants a specific purebred breed. I didn't see where Admin wrote 'don't buy vlcaks from France, period'...

For those protesting, are you really saying there is not widespread mixes being used?

Watchwolf · 25-06-2011, 22:36

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Originally Posted by yukidomari

Why the hostilities in responses? I see Admin simply wrote that there are multiple kennels are using mixes, that not to buy from such kennel, .. That's all. Seems like a common sense warning when someone wants a specific purebred breed. I didn't see where Admin wrote 'don't buy vlcaks from France, period'...

For those protesting, are you really saying there is not widespread mixes being used?

I agree with you but the story is a lot more complicated.
Now Admin tell to people "do not buy french dog because ...". He can't say this thing and stay hidden. This is too important.

24-06-2011, 12:42	#1
admin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 583	MISSING credibility of the French pedigrees Basing on the number of "strange" cases in France and the OBVIOUS cheating of the French pedigrees; basing on the number of 100% mixes (mongrels) born in this country. And taking into consideration the fact that the putting AWD in the breed was KNOWN and nothing has been done against it till now - and because the AWD mongrels spred in France more and more that at the moment only VERY FEW French kennels still breed REAL Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs I must ask about the credibility of the French pedigrees. It seems that the French pedigrees are at the moment only a useless piece of paper which guaranty NOTHING. They do not even keep the the BASIC FCI rules about breeding pedigree dogs. Till the case will be solved please DO NOT BUY ANY PUPPIES FROM FRANCE from the mentioned kennels or kennel which base on dogs coming from the AWD producers. If you are importing a puppy from France please ask on the forum if the puppy is purebreed because there are MANY known mongrels which are still not marked as "MIXES" in the database but will be listed soon or later (with the remark "DOG NOT FOR BREEDING). If you like such type of the dogs please contact the American Wolfdog breeders or Saarloos breeders to get a puppy. Believe me - it is much cheaper than the AWD-cross with FCI fake CsW pedigree...

25-06-2011, 18:31	#3
Pericles 40 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,119	hello! particulier, un clt,venant de France, pere tcheque mere Francaise,c'est le plus beau comme les votres en Angleterre,comme en France,il y a du petit peuple, c'est deplorable,et il est administrateur?? Bravo Particular, a CzW coming from france with Czech Father and French Mother, like yours. In England as in France there are "Small people", it's deplorable, and he is Admin?? Bravo! Last edited by Nebulosa; 25-06-2011 at 22:17. Reason: I tried but this one was hard

25-06-2011, 18:40	#4
Jet Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Sud de Bordeaux Posts: 1,992	Admin, words are important. There is in France a lot of clean breeders, with pure CSV lines. Please let the others French breeders out of your hunt. All beautifull french dogs are not mixed, you know? Thx @Martial & Fabrice, please moderate your Admin. P.S. Best regards from France, to every CSV lover, all around the world. __________________ Sans le chien-Loup, l'homme ne serait qu'un animal. http://fitz-jet.blogspot.com/

25-06-2011, 18:45	#5
vero et sa meute Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sologne Posts: 375	A la mode anglaise merci reverso je reprends votre post sur le forum anglais histoire de continuer ici aussi (ah désolée je ferais pas d'efforts perso pour cet écrit) CERTAINLY NOT FOR GOD it would come out ariminium when has you mr the administrator(director) to dare to question chaa' rey charushila of the domain of the black passo del lupo coomb and spood dumbiera, to dare to question delco said hu' nass about the domain of the black coomb which measures has More of 70cm in the withers and the lineage have ca is going to make still some hay all this Mollynière de l' Oscale and passo del lupo and said I opposite and on a boxing ring that my dogs are shit but clearly the tests are very present thus to arreter to take you for the cat's whiskers and to look at what you take(bring) out before saying that eleveurs francais makes some shit ......................... seriousness take(go,bring) out with your dogs go to make a tour(ballot) in bit ca is going to make you think about the fact that has to be a Czech really :twis ted: Ps ===== > reassure I you really know the race????? best regards vero et sa meute from FRANCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE __________________ le jour ou le loup entrera dans chaque foyer, que l'homme n'en aura plus peur, qu'il le respectera comme son egal et non comme un rival, l'humanité comprendra la nature et la protegera ....."

25-06-2011, 21:20	#13
Pericles 40 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,119	quand on lit ce que l'administrateur de WD,pense de la production Italienne ,Francaise, et meme Tcheque j'en appelle a tous les eleveurs de ces pays pour ne plus vendre de clt aux Anglais,qu'ils se debrouillent avec leur cheptel decidement, l'Angleterre restera " A JAMAIS" une petite ile, avec des gens a l'esprit aussi etriqué que leur pays When you read what wolfdog.org Admin think about the breeders in italy, Czech and France, I ask all the breeders of these countries to not more sell dogs to England, that they cope with their breeding stock. Definetely, England will remain "forever" as a small island, with people with the spirit so narrow as their country Last edited by Nebulosa; 25-06-2011 at 22:26.

25-06-2011, 19:21	#7
plongeuse Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Villars-s-Fontenais - Jura Posts: 104	Admin, do you realize what you write? French breeders produce all the shit! Bad breeders or apprentice sorcerers exist in ALL countries! So it's not because you suspect certain breeders, that you have criticize the entire French production! Be careful Admin, your words can cause great harm !!

25-06-2011, 21:43	#14
Pericles 40 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,119	sorry for my English ,but the translator is a shit: Lol: are you sure, you av'nt clt,strange? perhaps you will be the nex ,be carrefull, the admi, is god!

25-06-2011, 21:46	#15
ArImInIuM Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 762	c'est sur que quand on voit ce que vous avez fait avec les tamaskans ....... et les derives qui ont suivies .......... vous êtes mal partis pour critiquer la façon dont certains éleveurs français travaillent........ Surely when you see what they've done with Tamaskans and their derivates, you're not right in criticize the way that some french breeders are working Last edited by Nebulosa; 25-06-2011 at 22:29. Reason: translation, hope it's right

25-06-2011, 21:59	#16
Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	English at the English forum please Very best regards / Mikael __________________ _________________________________________________ Hronec, Rasty, Zilja Kennel, Wolfdog of Sweden* http://kennelwolfdogofsweden.vpsite.se/Home.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wolfdo...53067971392916

25-06-2011, 22:03	#17
Pericles 40 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,119	Admi post in English on the French forum so you do like us, you translate ,or you learn French!!like y "Baragouine" Anglais and verry best regards to Last edited by Pericles 40; 25-06-2011 at 22:09.

25-06-2011, 22:18	#18
Watchwolf Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 820	Who are you to tell people what to do ? Stop hide behind the pseudo Admin and after you can make that kind of decision, else you are nothing Last edited by Watchwolf; 25-06-2011 at 22:21.

25-06-2011, 22:32	#19
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	Why the hostilities in responses? I see Admin simply wrote that there are multiple kennels are using mixes, that not to buy from such kennel, .. That's all. Seems like a common sense warning when someone wants a specific purebred breed. I didn't see where Admin wrote 'don't buy vlcaks from France, period'... For those protesting, are you really saying there is not widespread mixes being used?