MISSING credibility of the French pedigrees

[plongeuse]

Admin, do you realize what you write? French breeders produce all the shit! Bad breeders or apprentice sorcerers exist in ALL countries! So it's not because you suspect certain breeders, that you have criticize the entire French production! Be careful Admin, your words can cause great harm !!

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by plongeuse

Be careful Admin, your words can cause great harm !!

Yes they will, but only simply because that they are true !

Regards / Mikael

[plongeuse]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Yes they will, but only simply because that they are true !

Regards / Mikael

But not for ALL french breeders !

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by plongeuse

But not for ALL french breeders !

Of course not, but if not even the French CsV club can say what is pure and what is not a pure CsV how can we trust any breeder ???

It is a French problem that is started by a very very few breeders in France, but as long as the CsV club in France can not control it, not many breeder´s outside of France will take the risk of buying a dog that later on might turn up on the list as a not pure Vlcak.

Sorry, but you must clean up your back yard to gain the trust again...

Very best regards / Mikael

[Pericles 40]

quand on lit ce que l'administrateur de WD,pense de la production Italienne ,Francaise, et meme Tcheque

j'en appelle a tous les eleveurs de ces pays pour ne plus vendre de clt aux Anglais,qu'ils se debrouillent avec leur cheptel

decidement, l'Angleterre restera " A JAMAIS" une petite ile, avec des gens a l'esprit aussi etriqué que leur pays


When you read what wolfdog.org Admin think about the breeders in italy, Czech and France, I ask all the breeders of these countries to not more sell dogs to England, that they cope with their breeding stock.

Definetely, England will remain "forever" as a small island, with people with the spirit so narrow as their country

[Pericles 40]

sorry
for my English ,but the translator is a shit: Lol:
are you sure, you av'nt clt,strange?

perhaps you will be the nex ,be carrefull, the admi, is god!

[ArImInIuM]

c'est sur que quand on voit ce que vous avez fait avec les tamaskans ....... et les derives qui ont suivies .......... vous êtes mal partis pour critiquer la façon dont certains éleveurs français travaillent........



Surely when you see what they've done with Tamaskans and their derivates, you're not right in criticize the way that some french breeders are working

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by ArImInIuM

mais pour qui il se prend ???? Pour insulter ainsi tous les eleveurs francais ????

but for who he takes?? To insult and all french farmers??

Originally Posted by Jet

Admin, words are important. There is in France a lot of clean breeders, with pure CSV lines.

Please let the others French breeders out of your hunt. All beautifull french dogs are not mixed, you know?

Thx

@Martial & Fabrice, please moderate your Admin.

P.S. Best regards from France, to every CSV lover, all around the world.

Originally Posted by vero et sa meute

et bien les eleveurs francais sont des "MERDES" mais demander qu'on achète plus en france pathétique

désolée je traduis pas comme lui je fais pas d'effort

Originally Posted by plongeuse

Admin, do you realize what you write? French breeders produce all the shit! Bad breeders or apprentice sorcerers exist in ALL countries! So it's not because you suspect certain breeders, that you have criticize the entire French production! Be careful Admin, your words can cause great harm !!

All of them... all of them... all of them...

You all missed this part

Originally Posted by Admin

France more and more that at the moment only VERY FEW French kennels still breed REAL Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs I must ask about the credibility of the French pedigrees.

And that's a sad truth, very few kennels still breed real CzW, the main problem is in france and for what we can see responsible breeders and people which is getting affected by these mixes are only waiting the time pass, the breeders give up on breed mixes and keep their own work without bother for all situation.
If we put it together with the fact that when we read French forum about these mixes the main thing we can see is "Admin is jealous, people is jealous, all the world is jealous, my dogs have DNA LALALALALA I cant hear you all, my dog is immune as it have DNA, they are nice wolfish dogs then they are good to the breed, jealous jealous jealous", the credibility gets completely lost.

[admin]

Originally Posted by plongeuse

Admin, do you realize what you write? French breeders produce all the shit! Bad breeders or apprentice sorcerers exist in ALL countries! So it's not because you suspect certain breeders, that you have criticize the entire French production! Be careful Admin, your words can cause great harm !!

NO. There is no pedigree cheating in Slovakia, Germany, Czech Republic, Lithuania, Sweden or Poland. It is because of the regulations which are solving such cases. In all those mentioned countries the problem of "possible Saarloos mixes" would be solved already 2 years ago. And none of the dogs would be used for breeding.

2-3 years ago it was written on the forum that some French dogs are AWD mixes. NOBODY checked the DNA, NOBODY cared for the problem. The ONLY answer which other breeders received from France was: "You are envy because we have the best CsWs in the world".

No the problem appeared again because the problems spread among the French kennels and 100% mongrels started to be born in French kennels. It is the best visible truth that the words posted 2-3 yeats ago were RIGHT.
What answer I get on the French forum? That I'm Nazi trying to destroy French breeders. Envy Nazi attacking the best breeders in the world.

I get information about witness who is prepared to confirm by your kennel club that de la Louve blanche breeder mixed her dogs with AWD. What help did I get on the French forum? NONE. Again only emails and post about Nazi, envy and about "attacking the best (French) breeders" of the world.

I'm far away from attacking all French breeders. I have no reason to attack French people - nationalism is a unknown word for me. People who are calling other users "nazis" are for me just mindless dumbs who really do not know what they are writing about.

But the facts are:

1- It is SURE some of the French dogs are AWD and Saarloos mixes
2- We know dogs which are mongrels for sure
3- But nobody knows which ELSE dogs are mixes/mongrels
4- Dogs which have FCI pedigrees are replaced in France by unknown mixes and breed with French FCI pedigrees
5- Mixes are imported from Finland and possible also from Hungary
6- Not even the breeders and owners know if their dogs are purebreed or not

So how can you say the pedigrees are something worth when NOBODY know which dogs have real pedigrees, which are purebreed CsW?

I suggest that the breeders who use direct imports from the "sure" countries can be also sure that they have real Wolfdogs. The same apply to kennel which do not use dogs from "de Louba tar" (and co.), de la Louve blanche, Crying Wolf and de l'Ange Gardien de Faujus kennels. The rest?
They can only hope that their dogs are CsWs... Hope for the DNA test...

I can imagine that kennels which