MISSING credibility of the French pedigrees

[ArImInIuM]

Originally Posted by admin

basing on the number of "strange" cases in france and the obvious cheating of the french pedigrees; basing on the number of 100% mixes (mongrels) born in this country. And taking into consideration the fact that the putting awd in the breed was known and nothing has been done against it till now - and because the awd mongrels spred in france more and more that at the moment only very few french kennels still breed real czechoslovakian wolfdogs i must ask about the credibility of the french pedigrees.

it seems that the french pedigrees are at the moment only a useless piece of paper which guaranty nothing. They do not even keep the the basic fci rules about breeding pedigree dogs.

till the case will be solved please do not buy any puppies from france from the mentioned kennels or kennel which base on dogs coming from the awd producers. If you are importing a puppy from france please ask on the forum if the puppy is purebreed because there are many known mongrels which are still not marked as "mixes" in the database but will be listed soon or later (with the remark "dog not for breeding).

If you like such type of the dogs please contact the american wolfdog breeders or saarloos breeders to get a puppy. Believe me - it is much cheaper than the awd-cross with fci fake csw pedigree...

mais pour qui il se prend ???? Pour insulter ainsi tous les eleveurs francais ????

but for who he takes?? To insult and all french farmers??

[Pericles 40]

hello!

particulier, un clt,venant de France, pere tcheque mere Francaise,c'est le plus beau

comme les votres

en Angleterre,comme en France,il y a du petit peuple,
c'est deplorable,et il est administrateur?? Bravo



Particular, a CzW coming from france with Czech Father and French Mother, like yours.
In England as in France there are "Small people", it's deplorable, and he is Admin?? Bravo!

[Jet]

Admin, words are important. There is in France a lot of clean breeders, with pure CSV lines.

Please let the others French breeders out of your hunt. All beautifull french dogs are not mixed, you know?

Thx

@Martial & Fabrice, please moderate your Admin.

P.S. Best regards from France, to every CSV lover, all around the world.

[vero et sa meute]

A la mode anglaise merci reverso je reprends votre post sur le forum anglais histoire de continuer ici aussi (ah désolée je ferais pas d'efforts perso pour cet écrit)

CERTAINLY NOT FOR GOD it would come out ariminium when has you mr the administrator(director) to dare to question chaa' rey charushila of the domain of the black passo del lupo coomb and spood dumbiera, to dare to question delco said hu' nass about the domain of the black coomb which measures has More of 70cm in the withers and the lineage have ca is going to make still some hay all this Mollynière de l' Oscale and passo del lupo and said I opposite and on a boxing ring that my dogs are shit but clearly the tests are very present thus to arreter to take you for the cat's whiskers and to look at what you take(bring) out before saying that eleveurs francais makes some shit ......................... seriousness take(go,bring) out with your dogs go to make a tour(ballot) in bit ca is going to make you think about the fact that has to be a Czech really
:twis ted:

Ps ===== > reassure I you really know the race?????

best regards
vero et sa meute from FRANCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[plongeuse]

Admin, do you realize what you write? French breeders produce all the shit! Bad breeders or apprentice sorcerers exist in ALL countries! So it's not because you suspect certain breeders, that you have criticize the entire French production! Be careful Admin, your words can cause great harm !!

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by plongeuse

Be careful Admin, your words can cause great harm !!

Yes they will, but only simply because that they are true !

Regards / Mikael

[plongeuse]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Yes they will, but only simply because that they are true !

Regards / Mikael

But not for ALL french breeders !

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by ArImInIuM

mais pour qui il se prend ???? Pour insulter ainsi tous les eleveurs francais ????

but for who he takes?? To insult and all french farmers??

Originally Posted by Jet

Admin, words are important. There is in France a lot of clean breeders, with pure CSV lines.

Please let the others French breeders out of your hunt. All beautifull french dogs are not mixed, you know?

Thx

@Martial & Fabrice, please moderate your Admin.

P.S. Best regards from France, to every CSV lover, all around the world.

Originally Posted by vero et sa meute

et bien les eleveurs francais sont des "MERDES" mais demander qu'on achète plus en france pathétique

désolée je traduis pas comme lui je fais pas d'effort

Originally Posted by plongeuse

Admin, do you realize what you write? French breeders produce all the shit! Bad breeders or apprentice sorcerers exist in ALL countries! So it's not because you suspect certain breeders, that you have criticize the entire French production! Be careful Admin, your words can cause great harm !!

All of them... all of them... all of them...

You all missed this part

Originally Posted by Admin

France more and more that at the moment only VERY FEW French kennels still breed REAL Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs I must ask about the credibility of the French pedigrees.

And that's a sad truth, very few kennels still breed real CzW, the main problem is in france and for what we can see responsible breeders and people which is getting affected by these mixes are only waiting the time pass, the breeders give up on breed mixes and keep their own work without bother for all situation.
If we put it together with the fact that when we read French forum about these mixes the main thing we can see is "Admin is jealous, people is jealous, all the world is jealous, my dogs have DNA LALALALALA I cant hear you all, my dog is immune as it have DNA, they are nice wolfish dogs then they are good to the breed, jealous jealous jealous", the credibility gets completely lost.

[admin]

Originally Posted by plongeuse

Admin, do you realize what you write? French breeders produce all the shit! Bad breeders or apprentice sorcerers exist in ALL countries! So it's not because you suspect certain breeders, that you have criticize the entire French production! Be careful Admin, your words can cause great harm !!

NO. There is no pedigree cheating in Slovakia, Germany, Czech Republic, Lithuania, Sweden or Poland. It is because of the regulations which are solving such cases. In all those mentioned countries the problem of "possible Saarloos mixes" would be solved already 2 years ago. And none of the dogs would be used for breeding.

2-3 years ago it was written on the forum that some French dogs are AWD mixes. NOBODY checked the DNA, NOBODY cared for the problem. The ONLY answer which other breeders received from France was: "You are envy because we have the best CsWs in the world".

No the problem appeared again because the problems spread among the French kennels and 100% mongrels started to be born in French kennels. It is the best visible truth that the words posted 2-3 yeats ago were RIGHT.
What answer I get on the French forum? That I'm Nazi trying to destroy French breeders. Envy Nazi attacking the best breeders in the world.

I get information about witness who is prepared to confirm by your kennel club that de la Louve blanche breeder mixed her dogs with AWD. What help did I get on the French forum? NONE. Again only emails and post about Nazi, envy and about "attacking the best (French) breeders" of the world.

I'm far away from attacking all French breeders. I have no reason to attack French people - nationalism is a unknown word for me. People who are calling other users "nazis" are for me just mindless dumbs who really do not know what they are writing about.

But the facts are:

1- It is SURE some of the French dogs are AWD and Saarloos mixes
2- We know dogs which are mongrels for sure
3- But nobody knows which ELSE dogs are mixes/mongrels
4- Dogs which have FCI pedigrees are replaced in France by unknown mixes and breed with French FCI pedigrees
5- Mixes are imported from Finland and possible also from Hungary
6- Not even the breeders and owners know if their dogs are purebreed or not

So how can you say the pedigrees are something worth when NOBODY know which dogs have real pedigrees, which are purebreed CsW?

I suggest that the breeders who use direct imports from the "sure" countries can be also sure that they have real Wolfdogs. The same apply to kennel which do not use dogs from "de Louba tar" (and co.), de la Louve blanche, Crying Wolf and de l'Ange Gardien de Faujus kennels. The rest?
They can only hope that their dogs are CsWs... Hope for the DNA test...

I can imagine that kennels which

[admin]

Originally Posted by Jet

Admin, words are important. There is in France a lot of clean breeders, with pure CSV lines.

Please let the others French breeders out of your hunt. All beautifull french dogs are not mixed, you know? .

It is why I wrote
"Till the case will be solved please DO NOT BUY ANY PUPPIES FROM FRANCE from the mentioned kennels or kennel which base on dogs coming from the AWD producers. If you are importing a puppy from France please ask on the forum if the puppy is purebreed because there are MANY known mongrels which are still not marked as "MIXES" in the database but will be listed soon or later (with the remark "DOG NOT FOR BREEDING)."

I suggested (and I suggest) puppy buyers to ask about it (about a will to buy a puppy from France) on a official forum because of the French forum I saw that even the breeders who have dogs which are for 100% AWD-mixed swear that their dogs are purebreed.
So one more time: the pedigree do not guaranty that the puppy comes from the parents which are listed there. And the words of the breeder are useless too - the slogans about DNA test and being sure that the parents are real CsW are nothing worth too.
It is everything about running a good business. They will lie till the end.

Good breeders have no reason to be afraid - by many dogs there are no doubts about their origin.

[vero et sa meute]

Originally Posted by ArImInIuM

mais pour qui il se prend ???? Pour insulter ainsi tous les eleveurs francais ????

but for who he takes?? To insult and all french farmers??

et bien les eleveurs francais sont des "MERDES" mais demander qu'on achète plus en france pathétique

désolée je traduis pas comme lui je fais pas d'effort


Well, the french breeders are "Shit",but ask people to not buy more French dogs, it's pathetic.