Norwegian ban on SW and CzW

[XaedasKSP]

Its not meant to be unpolite but I have just something especially for Mikael since he likes me so much as he writes under his posts

Here is the response from the breeder that I got after you sent her your mail:

Quote:

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Hi,

a heavy discussion on wolfdog.org you don't have to defend you and your meaning. This is wolfdog.org a place only for CSV they don't want SWH because it's konkurenz dogbreed. You go the correct way to take a dogbreed who is legal in you country. Wish everybody a merry christmas and say god by to them.

We also have a SWH forum I can ask if it is possible to make a english section. Than you can comunikate with swh owners if you are interested.
When all is going right you can pik up your puppy on 30.01. Because I can't guarantee it now there can be an accident or illnes or death or somthing I never wish to have. You don't have to pay now only when you whish it to fix our agreement. When you want it then I send you my datas.
I must ask you again, the paper for the mattilsynet, do you need it with post or with email?

have a nice day and don't fight on wolfdog.org )))) it's lost time!

Alex"

End of quote.

I hope Mikael that you are happy now, cause I am

And yes I do already know how much you like me

I hope that all other users wont find my reply as unpolite or "bullying" I am just replying to Mikael in the same way that he was talking to me so it shouldnt be anything bad I hope.

And as advised I wish you all once again a merry christmas and a happy new year!

(And I hope you wont ban me so I can maybe some time write something on the forum about the dog etc. (until a SWH forum becomes created) with the users that are friendly with me here.)

[Per Olav]

Originally Posted by XaedasKSP

you don't have to defend you and your meaning. This is wolfdog.org a place only for CSV they don't want SWH because it's konkurenz dogbreed.

This is not correct. SW and CSV never was competing breeds and both breeds may be held by same owners because their unlikeness by behaviour and usability.

I deeply regret Alex's attitude and answer. In my opinnion this mean no good for the future of the Saarloos in Norway.
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[XaedasKSP]

Well its not me that mean that the breeds are concurents (I like very much both SW and CSV), but either way people who meant that I wasnt suitable to own a dog because of my political views were wrong. And now it have been proved.

I wish the best for both SW and CSV and if to unban the CSV its needed to sign any petition or anything I will gladly help as I said before. And if I get some useful information from people who are friendly here, in the wolfdog topics about how to best train the dog then it will be very nice.

I have never meant to "bully" anyone and to Mikael I just answer in the same way that he talks to me.

I hope you all will have a nice Christmas!

[Per Olav]

I've never heard keeping of dogs in general was a political issue. My guess is that you on this forum will find people of very different political platforms, but politics are rarely a subject of this forum or any forum discussing dogs.

The SW situation in Norway is fragile and depending on owners who are known to and familiar with the breed and it "peculiarities". Our authorities have since long stated that a small step outside the path may be disasterous to the breed. If someone make an official complaint about feeling the dog as a threat, scared by a dog's howling, growling etc this may lead to another discussions of the wolfdogs as "dangerous breeds". And to me it seem you have no idea of what you are facing in respect to your opponents on the anti wolf and wolfdog platform. It's a pity this is not understood. Instead of fighting someone's right to keep a SW just because it by now is legal - it's a fragile right. I'll better see you talking to experienced SW owners, observing their dogs and their behaviour and by that getting more experienced to this breed. And if you then decide that a SW is the right breed for you - why not start fighting for changing the law as a whole and by that securing the future of the SW inside the border of your country.
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[Rona]

Originally Posted by Per Olav

I've never heard keeping of dogs in general was a political issue.

Because it isn't. Unless somebody suffers from an obsession (like XaedasKSP does) and has an obtrusive need to associate everything with it. In my opionion, "torturing" people in every post with one's political views, whatever they are, on a dog forum IS bullying!

If I were the SW breeder I would definitely inform myself and learn more about the situation of dogs and esp. wolfdogs in Norway before sending my pup there. Unfortunately, some people tend to extrapolate their own intentions on others (at least so it seems ), which is just sad. If SW are banned in Norway, which might happen any time in the light of what is happenning there at the moment, CSV will be banned even more - in such circumstances competition between the two breeds would be absurd.

Per Olav, I fully understand your anxiety since your true worry about the CSV breed and hard work over several years on building its positive image in the Norwegian society may be now ruined by a few irresponsible owners who are unable to understand the sensitive situation of the wolfdog breeds in your country. I guess Angelika was writing about such people last year:

Originally Posted by Angelika It has been the fault of our generation to educate the present generation to be so "extremely" self-confident. Seems they are thinking: here I come - nothing can stop me (...)
It would be better to reflect, to inform themselves, to take important things seriously.

I cannot agree more and only hope Norwegian wolfdogs' fate would be better than Majlo's. Even if Majlo survives, I cannot imagine the effects of such a long separation of any wolfdog from his pack

[XaedasKSP]

Well if you have read some of my last posts, then I have written there that I try to find every possible info on the internet about the SWH and I am trying to find some extra literature about them and how to properly train them. And I hope I will find something. Either way if I wont know how to properly teach the dog regarding some kind of behaviour then I shall ask the breeder or/and ask on the forum below in the wolfdog topic.

As for the time being I am waiting on my pup to become 8 weeks and meanwhile learn everything possible about SWHs. As for finding other owners in Norway well I think this can be rather difficult in the area where I live. I know just about the SWH breeder in Trondheim but its like over 600 kilometers from the place where I live.

And as for the wolfdogs I think that it can only help if there will be many SWHs in Norway. Since it will prove that CSV can be safe too. And I know that there are maybe many opponents of wolfes in Norway (although I have never met one in person only on the webforums) but I hope I wont have any problems with them. If I ever get wolfopponents knocking on my door or meet them anywhere then I shall ofc. ask for your advice as to how to properly respond to them.

And as I said before if you need any help with any political pressure to make the future of SWH and CSV safer in Norway then I shall gladly help. And I shall definitly not be an "irresponsible" owner.

I wish you all a great christmas time, and a wonderful new year!

[Per Olav]

Originally Posted by XaedasKSP

Well if you have read some of my last posts, then I have written there that I try to find every possible info on the internet about the SWH and I am trying to find some extra literature about them and how to properly train them. And I hope I will find something. Either way if I wont know how to properly teach the dog regarding some kind of behaviour then I shall ask the breeder or/and ask on the forum below in the wolfdog topic.

You don't learn by reading on a forum, at the most you get some information which you carefully have to select the importance of by yourself. You learn by the help and supervision of experienced owners or trainers and then practicing what you've learned by your own. There are no Norwegian dog trainers knowing this breed.

As for the time being I am waiting on my pup to become 8 weeks and meanwhile learn everything possible about SWHs. As for finding other owners in Norway well I think this can be rather difficult in the area where I live. I know just about the SWH breeder in Trondheim but its like over 600 kilometers from the place where I live.

You don't know of any other owners except one living 600 km away, and still you are confident in traing a wolfdog, a breed unknow to anyone but a handfull? And what about quarrantine? If you get your dog from abroad I suppose you have to follow normal import procedures - including rabies testing, quarrantining etc?

And as for the wolfdogs I think that it can only help if there will be many SWHs in Norway. Since it will prove that CSV can be safe too. And I know that there are maybe many opponents of wolfes in Norway (although I have never met one in person only on the webforums) but I hope I wont have any problems with them. If I ever get wolfopponents knocking on my door or meet them anywhere then I shall ofc. ask for your advice as to how to properly respond to them.

The more inexperienced owners the greater chance for making real trouble for the serious ones. The future of the Norwegian SW's already is fragile.

SWs have been poisoned and killed inside their dog yard. The only breeder ended his kennel some years ago because of the safety of his dogs. Some time ago I was requested by this breeder to host a dog for a newly started SW kennel cause this experienced former breeder did not want to expose the dog and himself for any more trouble by the opponents of the breed. You hardly meet Norwegian SW owners at dog shows and they don't take part in any public discussion or on national foras. Except for one, SW owners of this country do not exist in public. What do this tell you?

And as I said before if you need any help with any political pressure to make the future of SWH and CSV safer in Norway then I shall gladly help.

Heaven forbid,

And I shall definitly not be an "irresponsible" owner.

In my opinnon you've already proven to be one. My sympathy to the responsible SW owners of this country.