Norwegian ban on SW and CzW

Rona · 22-12-2009, 16:13

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Originally Posted by Per Olav

For time beeing my mood is down thinking of the uncertain future of the sw i Norway.

Per Olav, here is a litttle Christmas gift to cheer you up, with a special dedication for Norwegian Authorities.

New (and non-political

) version of the Little Red Riding Hood image

Per Olav · 22-12-2009, 16:19

She's just smashing beautiful, isn't she

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Rona · 22-12-2009, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Per Olav

She's just smashing beautiful, isn't she

... rather a real darling as the vast majority of our CSVs are!

Angelika · 22-12-2009, 23:11

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Originally Posted by Rona

What a glamorous girl!!!

How can someone ban this beauty?? (not politically meant

)

XaedasKSP · 23-12-2009, 00:15

Its not meant to be unpolite but I have just something especially for Mikael since he likes me so much as he writes under his posts

Here is the response from the breeder that I got after you sent her your mail:

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"
Hi,

a heavy discussion on wolfdog.org

you don't have to defend you and your meaning. This is wolfdog.org a place only for CSV they don't want SWH because it's konkurenz dogbreed. You go the correct way to take a dogbreed who is legal in you country. Wish everybody a merry christmas and say god by to them.

We also have a SWH forum I can ask if it is possible to make a english section. Than you can comunikate with swh owners if you are interested.
When all is going right you can pik up your puppy on 30.01. Because I can't guarantee it now there can be an accident or illnes or death or somthing I never wish to have. You don't have to pay now only when you whish it to fix our agreement. When you want it then I send you my datas.
I must ask you again, the paper for the mattilsynet, do you need it with post or with email?

have a nice day and don't fight on wolfdog.org

)))) it's lost time!

Alex"

End of quote.

I hope Mikael that you are happy now, cause I am

And yes I do already know how much you like me

I hope that all other users wont find my reply as unpolite or "bullying" I am just replying to Mikael in the same way that he was talking to me so it shouldnt be anything bad I hope.

And as advised I wish you all once again a merry christmas and a happy new year!

(And I hope you wont ban me so I can maybe some time write something on the forum about the dog etc. (until a SWH forum becomes created) with the users that are friendly with me here.)

Per Olav · 23-12-2009, 00:32

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Originally Posted by XaedasKSP

you don't have to defend you and your meaning. This is wolfdog.org a place only for CSV they don't want SWH because it's konkurenz dogbreed.

This is not correct. SW and CSV never was competing breeds and both breeds may be held by same owners because their unlikeness by behaviour and usability.

I deeply regret Alex's attitude and answer. In my opinnion this mean no good for the future of the Saarloos in Norway.
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XaedasKSP · 23-12-2009, 00:44

Well its not me that mean that the breeds are concurents (I like very much both SW and CSV), but either way people who meant that I wasnt suitable to own a dog because of my political views were wrong. And now it have been proved.

I wish the best for both SW and CSV and if to unban the CSV its needed to sign any petition or anything I will gladly help as I said before. And if I get some useful information from people who are friendly here, in the wolfdog topics about how to best train the dog then it will be very nice.

I have never meant to "bully" anyone and to Mikael I just answer in the same way that he talks to me.

I hope you all will have a nice Christmas!

Per Olav · 23-12-2009, 01:19

I've never heard keeping of dogs in general was a political issue. My guess is that you on this forum will find people of very different political platforms, but politics are rarely a subject of this forum or any forum discussing dogs.

The SW situation in Norway is fragile and depending on owners who are known to and familiar with the breed and it "peculiarities". Our authorities have since long stated that a small step outside the path may be disasterous to the breed. If someone make an official complaint about feeling the dog as a threat, scared by a dog's howling, growling etc this may lead to another discussions of the wolfdogs as "dangerous breeds". And to me it seem you have no idea of what you are facing in respect to your opponents on the anti wolf and wolfdog platform. It's a pity this is not understood. Instead of fighting someone's right to keep a SW just because it by now is legal - it's a fragile right. I'll better see you talking to experienced SW owners, observing their dogs and their behaviour and by that getting more experienced to this breed. And if you then decide that a SW is the right breed for you - why not start fighting for changing the law as a whole and by that securing the future of the SW inside the border of your country.
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Rona · 23-12-2009, 09:41

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Originally Posted by Per Olav

I've never heard keeping of dogs in general was a political issue.

Because it isn't.

Unless somebody suffers from an obsession (like XaedasKSP does) and has an obtrusive need to associate everything with it.

In my opionion, "torturing" people in every post with one's political views, whatever they are, on a dog forum IS bullying!

If I were the SW breeder I would definitely inform myself and learn more about the situation of dogs and esp. wolfdogs in Norway before sending my pup there. Unfortunately, some people tend to extrapolate their own intentions on others (at least so it seems

), which is just sad. If SW are banned in Norway, which might happen any time in the light of what is happenning there at the moment, CSV will be banned even more - in such circumstances competition between the two breeds would be absurd.

Per Olav, I fully understand your anxiety since your true worry about the CSV breed and hard work over several years on building its positive image in the Norwegian society may be now ruined by a few irresponsible owners who are unable to understand the sensitive situation of the wolfdog breeds in your country

. I guess Angelika was writing about such people last year:

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Originally Posted by Angelika It has been the fault of our generation to educate the present generation to be so "extremely" self-confident. Seems they are thinking: here I come - nothing can stop me (...)
It would be better to reflect, to inform themselves, to take important things seriously.

I cannot agree more and only hope Norwegian wolfdogs' fate would be better than Majlo's. Even if Majlo survives, I cannot imagine the effects of such a long separation of any wolfdog from his pack

22-12-2009, 16:19	#2
Per Olav Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 395	She's just smashing beautiful, isn't she -- po __________________ Per Olav

23-12-2009, 01:19	#8
Per Olav Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 395	I've never heard keeping of dogs in general was a political issue. My guess is that you on this forum will find people of very different political platforms, but politics are rarely a subject of this forum or any forum discussing dogs. The SW situation in Norway is fragile and depending on owners who are known to and familiar with the breed and it "peculiarities". Our authorities have since long stated that a small step outside the path may be disasterous to the breed. If someone make an official complaint about feeling the dog as a threat, scared by a dog's howling, growling etc this may lead to another discussions of the wolfdogs as "dangerous breeds". And to me it seem you have no idea of what you are facing in respect to your opponents on the anti wolf and wolfdog platform. It's a pity this is not understood. Instead of fighting someone's right to keep a SW just because it by now is legal - it's a fragile right. I'll better see you talking to experienced SW owners, observing their dogs and their behaviour and by that getting more experienced to this breed. And if you then decide that a SW is the right breed for you - why not start fighting for changing the law as a whole and by that securing the future of the SW inside the border of your country. -- po Last edited by Per Olav; 23-12-2009 at 10:15.

23-12-2009, 00:15	#5
XaedasKSP Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skien/Oslo Posts: 83	Its not meant to be unpolite but I have just something especially for Mikael since he likes me so much as he writes under his posts Here is the response from the breeder that I got after you sent her your mail: Quote: " Hi, a heavy discussion on wolfdog.org you don't have to defend you and your meaning. This is wolfdog.org a place only for CSV they don't want SWH because it's konkurenz dogbreed. You go the correct way to take a dogbreed who is legal in you country. Wish everybody a merry christmas and say god by to them. We also have a SWH forum I can ask if it is possible to make a english section. Than you can comunikate with swh owners if you are interested. When all is going right you can pik up your puppy on 30.01. Because I can't guarantee it now there can be an accident or illnes or death or somthing I never wish to have. You don't have to pay now only when you whish it to fix our agreement. When you want it then I send you my datas. I must ask you again, the paper for the mattilsynet, do you need it with post or with email? have a nice day and don't fight on wolfdog.org )))) it's lost time! Alex" End of quote. I hope Mikael that you are happy now, cause I am And yes I do already know how much you like me I hope that all other users wont find my reply as unpolite or "bullying" I am just replying to Mikael in the same way that he was talking to me so it shouldnt be anything bad I hope. And as advised I wish you all once again a merry christmas and a happy new year! (And I hope you wont ban me so I can maybe some time write something on the forum about the dog etc. (until a SWH forum becomes created) with the users that are friendly with me here.)

23-12-2009, 00:44	#7
XaedasKSP Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skien/Oslo Posts: 83	Well its not me that mean that the breeds are concurents (I like very much both SW and CSV), but either way people who meant that I wasnt suitable to own a dog because of my political views were wrong. And now it have been proved. I wish the best for both SW and CSV and if to unban the CSV its needed to sign any petition or anything I will gladly help as I said before. And if I get some useful information from people who are friendly here, in the wolfdog topics about how to best train the dog then it will be very nice. I have never meant to "bully" anyone and to Mikael I just answer in the same way that he talks to me. I hope you all will have a nice Christmas!