Spencer Wolfdogs

[solowolf]

Napisał michaelundinaeichhorn

Hello Mr. Winder,
today I have some questions concerning puppy trade between England and Belgium:
One German person keeping hybrids got himself a new puppy, mix of Timberwolf and CSW.
http://www.wolf-hund.de/Selma_ie.htm
In a German forum he showed a photo of her parents.
http://forum.wolfdog.eu/read.php?12,263,266#msg-266
The photo that is shown there is a photo that can be found on your homepage too and on wolfdog.org.
On this homepage on wolfdogs and hybrids is a link to your homepage under the point hybrids
http://ukwolfdogs.com/3.html
http://www.male-kuryak.be/links%202.htm

This guy wrote the puppy is out of Pacino kennel and there is a rumour that the puppies had been brought to Belgium and had been sold as Spencer Wolfdogs. The owner of the puppy at least says he got the puppy there
http://forum.wolfdog.eu/read.php?12,263,263#msg-263

Remembering all the fuss you made about other kennels I would be really interested in a statement of you to this all.

Ina

hi we havnt owned a czechoslovakian wolfdog for nearly 7 mths we sold most to USA and 2 in uk, i have asked for all my details to be removed from this web site, and all the dogs i did own to be relisted with there new owners, spencer wolfdog? i must look that one up some day, mr winder

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Napisał solowolf

hi we havnt owned a czechoslovakian wolfdog for nearly 7 mths we sold most to USA and 2 in uk, i have asked for all my details to be removed from this web site, and all the dogs i did own to be relisted with there new owners, spencer wolfdog? i must look that one up some day, mr winder

Hi,

so who's breeding under your name (Pacino)?
The above mentioned litter was born on April 28th 2008.
Father: Solitario de la Noche Pacino, a CSW
Mother: Kizzy, a Timberwolf
I hope this information will help you to get to know what animals I'm talking about
Did the six male puppies stay in the UK and was only the one female brought to Germany via Belgium?
I'm sorry to bother you with this questions, but I'm a little bit concerned that this F1-hybrid will be registered as a CSW in Germany and appear as a pure bred CSW in breeding.
Although you're obviously not involved in the CSW business anymore, would it be very kind of you to help us clarifying this situation.

Thanks in advance,
Michael

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

http://ukwolfdogs.com/17.html?frm_da...a1_type=large#
The first link always shows one picture, the other interesting ones are No. 15,16,17,21,27

Ina

And Photo No. 20

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

There seems to be a little panik. The picture of the parents have been removed from wolfdog.eu. Too late, I have downloads.

Ina

[Mirkawolf]

Napisał michaelundinaeichhorn

There seems to be a little panik. The picture of the parents have been removed from wolfdog.eu. Too late, I have downloads.

Ina

No worries Ina, there´s plenty of pictures on Paul own site, like this one for example:

Fantastic wolf, the mother. But definatelly not a CSW. Makes me wonder, if one can ever again trust anything - the pedigree of the pups, their origin and the breeder himself, be it Pacino´s kennel or Louba Tar.
It is becomming a risky business to buy a CSW, and that will not be good for the breed at all.

[solowolf]

Napisał Mirkawolf

No worries Ina, there´s plenty of pictures on Paul own site, like this one for example:

Fantastic wolf, the mother. But definatelly not a CSW. Makes me wonder, if one can ever again trust anything - the pedigree of the pups, their origin and the breeder himself, be it Pacino´s kennel or Louba Tar.
It is becomming a risky business to buy a CSW, and that will not be good for the breed at all.

now you have all made your own assumptions that i bred and supplied a pup to germany go to my web site look at wolfdog pups the last photo,,, recognise the puppy ? have a closer look,,, you got it,, this is the German pup,,, does the mother with it look like kizzy, i dont think so, not bred in uk, sorry to dissapoint you all, the dutch kennel club are taking long time to sort mrs Keizer, so i will put all the things i know and photos on my web site i will send a post to wolfdog.org you all have 1 day to copy it all then i remove it, i want to go public with this but friends in europe want kennel club to sort it out, i think they have had more than enough time to stop it, i know the german pup and who bred it, they have no interest in czechoslovakain wolfdogs why on earth would they want to register it as one??/ i think you are taking the p,,, out of this german guy or yous have nothing better to do, mr winder

[bengan]

Napisał solowolf

hi we havnt owned a czechoslovakian wolfdog for nearly 7 mths we sold most to USA and 2 in uk, i have asked for all my details to be removed from this web site, and all the dogs i did own to be relisted with there new owners, spencer wolfdog? i must look that one up some day, mr winder

Paul...
what's this...?? Are you leaving the wolfdog world behind..?
I think you first own everyone an explanation or at least the status of your claim/action against certain breeders in Europe.
You have made a lot of accusations in the past.. with the claim that all will come out and everyone will get what they deserve.
We are all still waiting... or could it be that people are getting what they deserve with your absance...??

Would be nice if you would own up to your claims or your faults..

waiting but not holding my breath..
Bengan

[Rona]

"UK wolfdogs", hihi....http://www.male-kuryak.be/links%202.htm

I predicted this move some time ago, but had no idea that it'd be that soon and the initaitive would come from the continent

Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea if the official Slovakian CSV breeding committee (or whatever is called the body responsible for the breed) informed DEFRA & FCI that "UK wolfdogs" should not be confused with CSV?

Just to be on the safe side when a scandal breaks out in the UK and all European CSV breeders are accused of raising wolf hybrids under the disguise of the CSVs.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Anyway one has to be extremly careful whom to sell a puppy and who´s bitch to mate.
There are more people breeding crosses in Britain and the rest of Europe, we should be very carefull not to involve the breed with this.
Unluckily there is always someone more greedy than responsible.

Mr. Winder visited this site twice since our questions but no reaction, I guess that is an answer too.

Ina

[Nebulosa]

Napisał michaelundinaeichhorn

Mr. Winder visited this site twice since our questions but no reaction, I guess that is an answer too.

Isn't this the best reply?
What excuse can someone who was suposed to protect and try the legallity of a banned breed in his country, proofing that CzW are no more than one dog breed, so called serious and responsible breeder that make some people believe in his suposed serious work for the breed, that had the courage to comes here and attack another breeder because personal problems accusing that it was for the breed sake, that now appear solding wolfmixes crossed with CzW over world and solding so called CzW to Northen Inuit breeder wich mix then in the "forbiden by DEFRA law" country... really have no excuse.

[mijke]

Unfortunately breeding wolfdog hybrids is a weird and dangerous hype on this moment in several European countries….
And I become sick of all the breeders who accuse each other to cooperate with this crazy buyers hype!

Besides the import of real F1, 2 and 3 from Canada, US and UK or east Europe (with fake papers and names of other breeds), not real prepared people are also interested in all kind of ”Wolf-look a likes”

So several breeders in different countries did see a new “Market”
And these mixes breeders use not only CsW but also SWH (see for example the advertisement of cry-wolf from UK: cry-wolf hybrid Saarloos puppies are uniquely bred by crossing hybrid and Northern Inuits with pedigree Saarloos. )
For me it is a bit crazy , that even in UK where a normal breed like CsW is even not recognised, breeders can public sell all kind of hybrids and mixes!

Napisał michaelundinaeichhorn

Anyway one has to be extremly careful whom to sell a puppy and who´s bitch to mate.
There are more people breeding crosses in Britain and the rest of Europe, we should be very carefull not to involve the breed with this.
Unluckily there is always someone more greedy than responsible.
Ina

I agree for 100%! Because when you read very well the several sites and forums of hybrid breeders, you will discover that a lot more common CSW and SWH breeders in Europe are involved or cooperate with them…

And that is their own choice , even like it is your own choice to buy a puppy or to cover your female or male with a common CsW “dog” or any of their not official recognised breed….

But I am I am glad that I am only a very small “incidental hobby breeder“ in this breed, who only cares about the general progress of this breed, and I am not involved with any of all these kind of “mix-mess”.

[Pavel]

Napisał mijke

Unfortunately breeding wolfdog hybrids is a weird and dangerous hype on this moment in several European countries….

My basic question is - whats the sense breeding the hybrids today ?

[Angelika]

Napisał Pavel

My basic question is - whats the sense breeding the hybrids today ?

nothing else but earning money, Pavel

cheers
Angelika

[Vaiva]

Napisał Pavel

My basic question is - whats the sense breeding the hybrids today ?

Well, let's say in Lithuania hunters sometimes breed laikas and wolfs for "better hunting dogs" and they do not care that hunting with a dog who has no pedigree is illegal...

[Per Olav]

Napisał Rona

Just to be on the safe side when a scandal breaks out in the UK and all European CSV breeders are accused of raising wolf hybrids under the disguise of the CSVs.

Looking back over my shoulder, this was one of the items debated in Norway some years ago. As you all know the breed is banned here.

[Angelika]

Napisał solowolf

we havnt owned a czechoslovakian wolfdog for nearly 7 mths

What´s with Soli, the csw-father of your hybrids??? You don´t own this csw - bred by yourself - "for nearly 7 mths"?

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