Spencer Wolfdogs

[Rona]

"UK wolfdogs", hihi....http://www.male-kuryak.be/links%202.htm

I predicted this move some time ago, but had no idea that it'd be that soon and the initaitive would come from the continent

Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea if the official Slovakian CSV breeding committee (or whatever is called the body responsible for the breed) informed DEFRA & FCI that "UK wolfdogs" should not be confused with CSV?

Just to be on the safe side when a scandal breaks out in the UK and all European CSV breeders are accused of raising wolf hybrids under the disguise of the CSVs.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Anyway one has to be extremly careful whom to sell a puppy and who´s bitch to mate.
There are more people breeding crosses in Britain and the rest of Europe, we should be very carefull not to involve the breed with this.
Unluckily there is always someone more greedy than responsible.

Mr. Winder visited this site twice since our questions but no reaction, I guess that is an answer too.

Ina

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Mr. Winder visited this site twice since our questions but no reaction, I guess that is an answer too.

Isn't this the best reply?
What excuse can someone who was suposed to protect and try the legallity of a banned breed in his country, proofing that CzW are no more than one dog breed, so called serious and responsible breeder that make some people believe in his suposed serious work for the breed, that had the courage to comes here and attack another breeder because personal problems accusing that it was for the breed sake, that now appear solding wolfmixes crossed with CzW over world and solding so called CzW to Northen Inuit breeder wich mix then in the "forbiden by DEFRA law" country... really have no excuse.

[mijke]

Unfortunately breeding wolfdog hybrids is a weird and dangerous hype on this moment in several European countries….
And I become sick of all the breeders who accuse each other to cooperate with this crazy buyers hype!

Besides the import of real F1, 2 and 3 from Canada, US and UK or east Europe (with fake papers and names of other breeds), not real prepared people are also interested in all kind of ”Wolf-look a likes”

So several breeders in different countries did see a new “Market”
And these mixes breeders use not only CsW but also SWH (see for example the advertisement of cry-wolf from UK: cry-wolf hybrid Saarloos puppies are uniquely bred by crossing hybrid and Northern Inuits with pedigree Saarloos. )
For me it is a bit crazy , that even in UK where a normal breed like CsW is even not recognised, breeders can public sell all kind of hybrids and mixes!

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Anyway one has to be extremly careful whom to sell a puppy and who´s bitch to mate.
There are more people breeding crosses in Britain and the rest of Europe, we should be very carefull not to involve the breed with this.
Unluckily there is always someone more greedy than responsible.
Ina

I agree for 100%! Because when you read very well the several sites and forums of hybrid breeders, you will discover that a lot more common CSW and SWH breeders in Europe are involved or cooperate with them…

And that is their own choice , even like it is your own choice to buy a puppy or to cover your female or male with a common CsW “dog” or any of their not official recognised breed….

But I am I am glad that I am only a very small “incidental hobby breeder“ in this breed, who only cares about the general progress of this breed, and I am not involved with any of all these kind of “mix-mess”.

[Pavel]

Originally Posted by mijke

Unfortunately breeding wolfdog hybrids is a weird and dangerous hype on this moment in several European countries….

My basic question is - whats the sense breeding the hybrids today ?

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by Pavel

My basic question is - whats the sense breeding the hybrids today ?

nothing else but earning money, Pavel

cheers
Angelika

[Pavel]

Originally Posted by Angelika

nothing else but earning money, Pavel

cheers
Angelika

Thank you Angelika, I have had same feeling.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Angelika

nothing else but earning money, Pavel

cheers
Angelika

And to suit their questionable psychological needs.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Pavel

My basic question is - whats the sense breeding the hybrids today ?

Well, let's say in Lithuania hunters sometimes breed laikas and wolfs for "better hunting dogs" and they do not care that hunting with a dog who has no pedigree is illegal...

[wolfin]

i think this be and psychikal problems. Mr.Winder wish play a little God and make new breed.
if Your rememeber Mutara hystory- this same metod- "healt problems and bla bla bla".
but in reality this is problems with normal thinkink and not moore. and yes, money, money, money.

[Per Olav]

Originally Posted by Rona

Just to be on the safe side when a scandal breaks out in the UK and all European CSV breeders are accused of raising wolf hybrids under the disguise of the CSVs.

Looking back over my shoulder, this was one of the items debated in Norway some years ago. As you all know the breed is banned here.