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10-10-2008, 10:30 | #1 |
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Wolf Dogs Being Crossed in the UK
There are kennels in the UK who claim to have Saarloos (and I have heard CWD) and they cross them with my chosen breed. Just wondering what your thoughts are on this? Personally I think the Wolfdogs should be left as they are, as should my breed, I see no reason to cross the dogs.
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10-10-2008, 17:20 | #3 |
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Cs Wolfdog is a working dog, Saarloos is not, I can se the problem in the UK, where the breeds are half baned and x-crossings are not...
But I do not think mixing Cs Wolfdog and Saarloos will do the Cs Wolfdog good. but maby it will do the Saarloos a better and more healthy breed... The mix however might bee a good dog, but not necessarily... Regards / Mikael
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10-12-2008, 01:45 | #4 |
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Thanks for your input.
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10-12-2008, 23:54 | #5 | |
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there is no excuse for anyone in u.k. to be cross breeding the CVS with any other breed of dog inc saarloos, both breeds are good dogs within there own rights and cross breeding them serves no purpose at all, there are enough cross breds and to a more serious point there are enough cross breds who have been registered in Europe and have pedigree papers,,,,,,,,, and with major health problems, it has mostly affected the saarloos breed but when i look at some CVS that have appeared recently in posts then it looks like some have made it to pedigree status as well,,, sad but true, i have seen some CVS cross in uk and europe and they are beautiful dogs but thats as far as it should go, people trying to register such dogs as pure breds and trying to get pedigrees for such should be banned from breeding. pacino uk |
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people who live in greenhouses should not throw stones,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, pacino u.k. |
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11-12-2008, 00:37 | #7 | |
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I have seen some pictures of puppies on your website .. correct me if I am wrong.. who's father is a CVS and the mother is not... so your statement is kind of contradictory.. but I would love to hear your explanation... bengan |
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14-12-2008, 22:44 | #8 | |
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14-12-2008, 23:09 | #9 | |
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http://www.saarlooswolfhonden.nl/index2.html with this type of thing happening to what you state MY INTERESTS the SAARLOOS WOLFHOUND dont you think your time would be better spent trying to stop this.......... its not my breed but i can assure you i will put stop to this, p.s. most of these dogs are registered as pure Saarloos,,,,,,pacino |
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14-12-2008, 23:33 | #10 | |
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my English is not bad...here a definition for you... Crossbreed..."offspring produced by breeding plants or animals of different varieties or breeds or species." so crossing a CVS with anything other then an other CVS, say a wolf, would be a crossbreed.. hence.. your contradiction in statements.."there is no excuse for anyone in u.k. to be cross breeding the CVS" your words... and yet per definition you have crossbred the CVS I'm glad you are laughing.... and you are not alone.... Bengan |
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15-12-2008, 11:55 | #12 |
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it's a shame you consider my questions and your lack of or unwillingness to give answers as a vendetta...
Do you know the story "The scorpion and the frog"..? somethings are as they are.. just as some people are as they are..and one can't expect them to change.. So I've given up expecting you to ever back up any of your claims or make public your "evidence" or even look at yourself before passing judgment on others.. There is no doubt that you care and know a lot about wolfdogs..just some of your ways/means and or motivations are questionable.. however I do wish you all the best with your "wolf like" dogs. After all ..it's about the animals..and not the people.. Bengan |
15-12-2008, 16:20 | #13 |
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So, crossbreed for you is only with other dogbreeds, and how we name cross CzW with a Timberwolf Hybrid like seems you have done?
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Sad regards / Mikael
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15-12-2008, 17:52 | #15 |
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I totaly agree !!!
And mixing a CsV whit a wolf or a hybrid is in my eyes more wrong then to mix a CsV whit a dog !!! Regards / Mikael
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16-12-2008, 01:44 | #16 |
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not a very good start if you cant tell a pure wollf when you see one is it??? not to worry we all learn something everyday, and you want to know what we call such mating, well i take example from CWS lines for this answer maby same as you call Sarik canis lupus x Xela z pohranieni straze ? CWS with wolf? so i must not do this WHY? please tell me? this is my private life i breed other wollfdogs, you have problem with this? so i am not aloud to breed with wolf for my research? but breeders in USA have sent me messages for advice on how to rear pups without useing the barbaric method of taking pups from mother at 10 days old and feeding from bottle to make pups have bond with humans, so this year some breeders in USA will try my method and its all thanks to my CWS who was a great father and without his help it would ot have been possable,, you know nothing about me or the work i do, and if it where not for peoplle like you i have wonderful experiences with the wolf and CWS people only dream of, and that i would love to share with people, for i am so proude of my CWS and my male Soli is something to be prode of, I used my CWS to train a wolf, have you ever witnessed a male CWS take a pup being born from a wolf and take the sack off and chew the cord, like the pup till it takes it first breath,clean the pups, regurgate food to the pups? people from all over the world where amazed at my photos, one man who was shown a certain photo said he had never witnessed this and he signed it for me,, Sir David Attenbrough.... now back to your dull question that you cant ask but ill tell you what you want to know and what you are implying in your question,,, No i will not use any of the pups to breed back to my CWS, o.k. is it o.k. to cross bred the CWS with other breed of dog ? NO why not? other dogs have health problems, so why add more to the pups of such cross breedings, the pure CWS in uk will remain pure, WE WORKED SO HARD OVER THE YEARS AND WE DONT LET CROSS BREEDS REACH REGISTER///// so now like me take a look at all the pics of CWS on wolfdog .org work your way from the north of Europe to the south,, are they the same breed??? now have closer look, dogs that look like bitchs, small dogs, small bitchs, eye colour, shape of eye, tali set, coats soft as poodle, ears??? at shows in France my friends and i see registered CWS that look like jackel or large fox, no substance and shy dogs with tail between legs so much it can not be seen, these dogs have no character hiding behind owners, one of my friends said to me that owner must beat his dog when i lift my hand to greet him he runs behind owner and shakes,, again ALL DOGS ARE REGISTERED ..... cross breeding, inbreeding, but it is there for all to see, look at the posts on different health problems creeping slowly into the CWS,, it is major problem in Europe for the CWS but not in uk for at least we know the cross breeders here and can make sure not one of these dogs ever get registration, you can in Europe stop this for like uk i am sure between all your people some of them will know where it goes wrong and can put end to it, or at least stop substandard dogs offspring from getting registrations,,,,, pacino
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16-12-2008, 01:55 | #17 |
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the breeder of Kizzy has just emailed she was not amused at you calling her a Timberwolf Hybird,,,,,,,,should have went to spec savers.....
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16-12-2008, 21:21 | #20 |
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Sorry pacino but she is a timber wolf only in your imagination, not long time I saw the webpage of the breeder you bring her, breeder of high content hybrids, its not wolf.
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