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20-02-2009, 23:51 | #21 | |
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21-02-2009, 00:19 | #22 | |
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I have just read the regulations for Czech champion again and it says nothing about specific exams, but only that the dog must be eligible for entering the workingclass, so a FCI workingcertificat should be sufficient for a dog to obtain the title "Czech beauty champion" "Awarding of the Czech Champion title is subject to the following conditions: 1) a) in breeds subject to working trials to be eligible for the International Champion title: successful passing of a trial that makes the dog elegible for entering the working class, and obtaining two CACs, of which at least one must have been obtained at an international dog show. The second CAC can have been obtained at one of the following shows: national, special or club show. The certificate required for working class must be furnished as a proof of passing of the trial. Breeders Clubs are entitled to increase the number of CACs required for the awarding of Czech Champion title. The request must be submitted in writing and approved by P ÈMKU (General Committee of the Czech Canine Union)." Working champion is different ofcourse... When reading the rules for Czech working champion, it only say how many CACT the dog must have, not in which exams CACT can be awarded(for example in Denmark can a only dog who have obtained IPO3 be Danish working champion) ....this is my original question ! As I am sure a dog can be Czech beauty champion by obtaining a workingcertificat(does not matter from which exam or country) as the regulations clearly says... Now when thinking of it, maybe I misunderstod Hanka ? Hanka : the list of exams you wrote are they for obtaining workingcertificat or for Czech working champion ? Greetings Rolf Last edited by Juniorwolf; 21-02-2009 at 00:41. Reason: more text |
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21-02-2009, 12:00 | #23 |
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NO.. Maybe the theory is like this but I know dogs which get Czech Champion titles last time but have ONLY SVP1 or even NONE of the certificates recognized as "working certificates" for CzW...
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21-02-2009, 12:54 | #24 | |
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How can a dog get the title Czech champion without a workingcertificat ? Greetings Rolf |
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21-02-2009, 13:09 | #25 |
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There is even more... For interchampion title CzW needs a working certificate. It is also a theory because I know at last three dogs which get it but did not passed even the BASIC obedience test...
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21-02-2009, 13:34 | #26 |
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21-02-2009, 15:25 | #27 |
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No idea... I just get more interesting information... there are some countries which have 'contract' with CMKU and dogs can be Czech Champion already when the get ONE CAC...
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21-02-2009, 19:48 | #28 | |
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We have something almost similary in the Nordic countries. If a dog already is champion in one of the nordic countries, then it will only need 1 x CAC from another nordic country to be champion of this country too. Greetings Rolf |
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21-02-2009, 20:04 | #29 | |
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On one side CMKU requires working exams and do not recognize even the SVP1 which is the FCI recognized exam for CzW but on the other side gives "Czech Champion" title for only one CAC... It is a little bit schizophrenic for me... |
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21-02-2009, 20:33 | #30 | |
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I agree that it sounds VERY strange, that ČMKU will not recognize a FCI workingcertificat for the title Czech champion, but what is even more strange in this question, regulations for obtaining the title Czech champion say nothing about specific exams, only that the dog must have a workingcertificat. Regulations for Czech champion : http://www.cmku.cz/index2.php?stranka=rady_a_predpisy Greetings Rolf |
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21-02-2009, 23:36 | #31 |
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Hi Margo, if you know a few dogs what are Czech chmpion without exam, write me (maybe private email) names, I ask about it. Because I think, it is not possible.
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21-02-2009, 23:40 | #32 |
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I finaly found the thread about Czech champion, I was looking for
...and according to this translation from Czech club meeting, a working certificat from SVP1 is sufficient to get title Czech champion http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8683 So to clear all misunderstandings, I have written an email to ČMKU and are waiting for an answer, which I will post in this thread. Greetings Rolf Last edited by Juniorwolf; 21-02-2009 at 23:41. Reason: forgot the link to the thread |
21-02-2009, 23:47 | #33 |
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So Iam very courious what they will answer you . Inform me,please......
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22-02-2009, 00:22 | #34 |
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hm, if I have this question I call to me kennel society and quest who dogs have this titel.If this be problematic make in CZ and dogs name mas Margo search?
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23-02-2009, 10:34 | #35 |
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But I have not question for ČMKU. I only write Margo, I can ask how it is possible, if she had seen it somewhere. Maybe theese dogs have exam??? But if I don´t know who is it I can´t speak (write) about it in this moment.
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23-02-2009, 11:37 | #36 |
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I got answer from ČMKU today :
Hallo, Obtaining of teh Czech Championship certificate Send by airmail to the office: -copy pedigree -original of the cards certifying obtaining the CAC -the CAC must have been awarded by at lest two different judges -the CAC must have been obtained in at least two show seasons -15 euro Breeds subjekt to working trials: -2x CAC (at least one obtained at an international show) -a copy of the certificate of a required working trial Lenka Fairaislová CMKU Jankovcova 53/C 170 00 Praha 7 -----Original Message----- From: Rolf Larsen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Czech champion Hello Lenka Fairaislova, I have a question about the titel "Czech champion". If my Czechoslovakian wolfdog have a FCI workingcertificat from passing SVP1 in Slovakia and 2 x CAC(1 from club dogshow and 1 from international dogshow in both Czech rep.), will he be awarded the titel "Czech champion" ? Regards Rolf Larsen So I guess SVP1 is sufficient for obtaining the title Czech champion Greetings Rolf |
23-02-2009, 12:58 | #37 |
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Hanka, sory but me very like this joke Margo not be CMKU and she not thake CZ CH. see : You wish have LT CH and quest me why this dog have with 1 winner titel LT CH but others mas have 4 CAC, I say - quest me LKD she thake oficial dyplomas not I
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23-02-2009, 19:36 | #39 |
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24-02-2009, 15:54 | #40 |
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I thought, Margo think about czech dog. Now I see- no )
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