Tamaskan CsW crossing

[mijke]

2 years ago Marcy did start a topic about CSV mixes in US: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthr...light=tamaskan

Here some quotes from that topic:

Originally Posted by miran

........ I have all three. A saarloos , a CWS and a Tamaskan. I find it unethical to crossbreed this breeds.
It is the difference in behavior that we want in the Tamaskan and you can only reach that if you only use 100% dog. I love real wolfdogs like the CWS and the saarloos but there are peoples that can not handle the behavior and that's why there is the Tamaskan.

It is a big shame that breeders(not real tamaskan breeders) will use a story and try to really crossbreed them with CWS because they do not know what they create, just for the use of selling there litter better. They can not use the standard of a Tamaskan if they use another breed because the easy behavior of the dog will be gone. Just like any CWS,Saarloos and real Tamaskan owner is that where we all fighting against.
So please any CWS or Saarloos owner please please please never let one of your dogs been used for this unethical practise

Originally Posted by blufawn

Hi, I am the secretary of the Tamaskan Dog Register
I think some people have the wrong idea about the Tamaskan so I thought I would post to explain our breed.
The Tamaskan Dog has no wolf content, we like the Czech wolfdogs and we have a few Tamaskan owners who have Czech wolfdogs too and they notice the differences, our two breeds are nothing alike and that is ok.
We do not wish to add any Czech Wolfdog to our breed as we do not want to alter our temprement or change our type. …..
Jennie Peacock

But today I did read on FB the TDR did approve a mix with a CsW: https://www.facebook.com/groups/398112493554209/

[wolfin]

this is not joke? who about this say a FCI in Holland?
she planed mate kaylee with others male in 2013 years.
very interesing who say a breeder. p.s. IF this animals group need a CSv - can used male - why mas CSV female born mix?

[loco]

Broodfokker !!!

[wolfin]

and yes - this is true. This litter mas born in next year. if want moore info - quest a breeder

[miran]

I am no longer with the TDR for quit some time now.
But no matter how I am thinking maybe the best is ask the people them self why they made the decision.......

No matter how I think one thing I did learned over the last couple of years : You can all wright about things and have your opinion but you can never reed the personal book of someone else unless you ask to read a chapter

I myself am part now of a Aatu tamaskan group that is also for outcross. I was against it for the temperament reason yes but they also have there arguments why they are pro. When talking without pointing and judging you can come to a point you do not have to agree but understand.
I do not know the arguments the TDR had but if they had the same as the TBA does I can understand it.....and that is why I say maybe start reading on the tamaskan forum or ask them

[Patty33]

"Outcross litter planned in the Netherlands – early 2013

Kaylee, my 4 year old female Czechoslovakian Wolfdog, is planned to be mated to Tamaskan male Maguyuk.
She is expected to be in season between now and December.
This will be her first litter.
...
This mating has been approved by the TDR committee and my kennel,
van ‘t Aelse Sluske, has been registered with the TDR.

Kaylee is great with people of all ages and also gets along well with male dogs.
However like most Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs she doesn’t like dogs from the same gender.

Health results
Moonlight Kaylee van Goverwelle (Kaylee): FCI A, DM Carrier, Dwarfism Clear.
Blustag Red Rum (Maguyuk): FCI A, ED Clear, DM Clear, Dwarfism Clear, Eyes Clear.

Kaylee will add some new blood to the Tamaskan breed.
This will also be Maguyuk his first litter,
his parents are Tumanra and Banjo, and he was chosen primarily because of his bloodlines.
Hopefully this combination will produce some nice puppy’s with good temperaments and health.

If anyone is interested in a puppy from this mating then you can contact me: XXXX "

This is placed at the fb-page of the National Tamaskan Club of America.

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Can't believe people are involved or want to be involved in this kind of horrible practices.

[Koos]

Unbelieveble!!!!

It is amazing to see and hear that Kaylee van Goverwelle, as a puppy sold to Stephanie Korthout of the kennel van 't Aelse Sluske, will be used for this kind of mixes.

We are very sad about this and will have nothing to do with this.

Letty and Koos de Graaff
Kennel van Goverwelle

[Puma]

Originally Posted by Patty33

If anyone is interested in a puppy from this mating then you can contact me: XXXX "

This part is revealing the real motives.

A person in need of money.

Not a breeder, that has any noble intentions for the animal itself.

I am disgusted with the action and with the breeder.

[yukidomari]

OK, but mix breeders will be removed from listing on wolfdog.org, at least.

And members of clubs with code of ethics that ban breed mixees should make sure not to associate or sell to, people who condone or participate in the breeding of crosses for public sale.