Mixes: Passo del lupo (Italy)

[Rona]

Originally Posted by leila

this is showing on someone without any proof (in some cases)....

I agree, this is a problem...

However, nobody seems to have even a trace of idea how to obtain the proofs. If the dogs are under their owners' custody all the time, the latter refuse to test them, giggle right into the faces of all who care about the breed, and cynically repeat "proofs, please, proofs", what can be done?!

Maybe somebody knows how to obtain the key dogs' blood against their owners' will, and collect the proofs? Employ a veterinary mafia? Hire kynological detectives? Or better... vet-burglers () who will break into the kennels and steal the dogs for half an hour Maybe Admin should hire MI5 or beg UFO for help? Anybody has more realistic suggestions?

Alternative solution is to do nothing and wait long enough for all the dogs whose blood could help solve the problem pass away.

It's not against you, Martab; but without cooperation, solidarity, join efforts of all caring, affected and non-affected owners and breeders the problem will never be solved. If people keep repeating "why me, my dogs are OK, I have nothing to do with it" very soon there will hardly be any pure vlcaks. In this case waiting is like waiting for Godot!

Instead of moaning and accusing the Admin, Margo or Santa Claus, or whoever of whatever I suggest all owners and breeders should start acting immediately to sort the mess out asap.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Rona

Instead of moaning and accusing the Admin, Margo or Santa Claus, or whoever of whatever I suggest all owners and breeders should start acting immediately to sort the mess out asap.

Exactly, the owners should contact their breeders and ask them to check the dogs instead of attacking people, who just try to save the breed from mixes...

[Martab]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Exactly, the owners should contact their breeders and ask them to check the dogs instead of attacking people, who just try to save the breed from mixes...

I insist: this is not the solution, because MY DOG HAS THE DNA TEST, HIS PARENTS HAVE DNA TEST, AND HE IS STILL (_!_)

[Rona]

Admin, why don't you change the "-!-" into "- -"
Let's see what happens then

I really don't understand why people are reacting so badly! Especially those who hate wolfdog.org so much! Does the sign make your dog different? Less beautiful or less obedient? If you know what animal you have at home, why be bothered by any silly marks?

If this could help the breed, I'd welcome as many signs at my dogs name as possible.

[Martab]

Rona, please admit that is is a bit arrogant and despothic to do this… for me it's clear he wanted to say only this

"Where is it written dogs are suspicious of anything? " ?!??!!

Database say that they are "not any more suitable for breeding"…even though they have all tests needed and much much more than a lot of "suitable for breeding" dogs without bonitance etc etc etc... more "suspicious" of that!

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Martab

Rona, please admit that is is a bit arrogant and despothic to do this…

I told you I didn't understand why somebody could get so excited about some silly signs. There are dogs dying of ill-treatment, pseudo breeders/ businessmen/ puppy millers destroying the work of generations of honest people and breed lovers and people stay indifferent, don't care, but a little -!- , the meaning of which has never been clearly explained, makes them levitate! Sorry, but to me this is absurd!

Originally Posted by Martab

for me it's clear he wanted to say only this

I don't know what he wanted to say, but I know what he said. Even if we have different views and discuss them strongly here - there is no need to use such language and such metaphors! There are limits to insensivity!

[Navarre]

I think we all are waiting for an answer from Admin.
The point is'nt only the symbol but the fact that some dog aren't anymore "approved for breeding".

In the case of Glock Arian...you may dislike the dog, you may dislike the owner, you may dislike the breeder (I too) but he is for sure a real CSW, being from well known blood lines, he made exibitions, bonitace, hd, dna, working tests etc.

With him there are many other owners with the same problem ... not saying that wolfdog.org should be "democratic" (might be too difficult for people of Eastern Europe), but RULES are necessary and these rules should be well known by users and must be valid for everyone, to maintain credibility.