good training/behaviour young CSV

[GalomyOak]

I don't know so much if it really matters if people have had positive or negative experiences. Each CSV is so different in personality. The dog that may be a breeze inside the home might be more timid and difficult in public. The dog that shows little interest in chewing/destroying may be very difficult to motivate in training. The very social dog (I think of my little Asha!) might bowl over a small child (or large men) in excitement. The very energetic dog might get so crazy that it seems to have no disregard for actually listening, but can go on all day once it actually gets trained. I have all of the above. I would consider every one of my dogs a success story. But each story is different, and none is without it's hurdles. As a whole this breed is very sensitive, and sometimes unforgiving, hence the difficulty - to good and bad treatment. It's why it's so important to start with one puppy only, patience and an open mind - observe and learn from your puppy, and she will do the same from you.

[yukidomari]

Don't think about it as 'bad' to train, think of it as an adventure

whenever you speak to anyone from any breed fancy, they will probably always tell you that all the dogs are different and individuals, but i think with CsV you can expect this to be especially true..

but to answer your question, "Has somebody had an experience when they had a nice car that the CSV did not destroy when young & left in the car for an hour?"

No.

[Maddie]

all those "naughty" things will only occur if you give a CsV chance to do those things i believe owning a CsV is a learning curve for both pup and owner, you will teach each other things without realising it!

and has already been said ... each dog is different, and instead of trying to change a dog into something it might not want to be, adapt your own way of thinking to understand what you are asking from the dogs POV

with regards to forests and cities - plenty of good quality socialisation at a young age in all areas, and continued socialisation into adulthood will allow your CsV to be able to take these situations in their stride.

[TimoleonVieta]

Originally Posted by Maddie

all those "naughty" things will only occur if you give a CsV chance to do those things i believe owning a CsV is a learning curve for both pup and owner, you will teach each other things without realising it!

and has already been said ... each dog is different, and instead of trying to change a dog into something it might not want to be, adapt your own way of thinking to understand what you are asking from the dogs POV

Yes this was very much the case, with my dear deaf collie. It was essential to think very laterally & from the others point of view. I hope this will come as naturally for me with CSV.
Tell me Maddie please, how you might deal with the young vclak if she began to eat your car seat? with my collie it would be a wag of the finger, a glare from me & never again. Although her main trouble in early months was actually being sick on them & then jumping out of car windows!

it will be trained very hard on one thing, she will support Liverpool FC or wont set foot inside my house & never welcome to come for a beer with me!

[Maddie]

Originally Posted by TimoleonVieta

Yes this was very much the case, with my dear deaf collie. It was essential to think very laterally & from the others point of view. I hope this will come as naturally for me with CSV.
Tell me Maddie please, how you might deal with the young vclak if she began to eat your car seat? with my collie it would be a wag of the finger, a glare from me & never again. Although her main trouble in early months was actually being sick on them & then jumping out of car windows!

it will be trained very hard on one thing, she will support Liverpool FC or wont set foot inside my house & never welcome to come for a beer with me!

i would give her a chew toy of some description and remind myself to get heavy duty car seat covers and thats if she was to be on the car seat, i would hope i would have a crate or dog gaurd set up so as to avoid the situation in the firstplace. as the old saying goes ... fail to prepare, prepare to fail.

liverpool? oh no Man Utd all the way :P

[TimoleonVieta]

as the old saying goes ... fail to prepare, prepare to fail.

liverpool? oh no Man Utd all the way :P[/quote]


Haha in Merseyside? so I see you must have steel grills on your house windows

seriously thanks for the advice, I have several vehicles so I will have to judge what is best. But I am hoping she will like sitting next to me when I am driving because I like the company & preferably not in a cage because how can I pat her head on those long drives !

[Maddie]

Originally Posted by TimoleonVieta

Haha in Merseyside? so I see you must have steel grills on your house windows

seriously thanks for the advice, I have several vehicles so I will have to judge what is best. But I am hoping she will like sitting next to me when I am driving because I like the company & preferably not in a cage because how can I pat her head on those long drives !

haha, would you be surprised if i told you my house looked out onto a field, a stones throw from a field to the right, and backs onto a horse paddock?

its no worries ... im still waiting for the day where i can have my own csv, but all it means is that there is more time for research and i'm sure i will never know everything, even when i have one!

[Rush]

Originally Posted by yukidomari

Don't think about it as 'bad' to train, think of it as an adventure

whenever you speak to anyone from any breed fancy, they will probably always tell you that all the dogs are different and individuals, but i think with CsV you can expect this to be especially true..

but to answer your question, "Has somebody had an experience when they had a nice car that the CSV did not destroy when young & left in the car for an hour?"

No.

My czw never did any damage in car so far. I can easly go shopping, go for pizza...He sleeps mostly in car.. But when he was in the car for more hours(driving+shopping ca 2-3h i think-don't remember) he did attack a bag with threats for him i bought in one of shops and ate some of them - he reached it over seats. He was 1 year old 3days ago anyway..

Enjoy

[TimoleonVieta]

Originally Posted by GalomyOak

Each CSV is so different in personality. But each story is different, and none is without it's hurdles. As a whole this breed is very sensitive, and sometimes unforgiving, hence the difficulty - to good and bad treatment. It's why it's so important to start with one puppy only, patience and an open mind - observe and learn from your puppy, and she will do the same from you.

Thankyou for the advice, perhaps I am guilty of paying too much attention to the negatives thus far. Yes I plan to learn very much from her, & vice versa all being well that it happens

How was it with you first lone puppy? I feel it may be best this way, although I am thinking to have an older collie as well.(I wrote in another thread) I worry that it would be more difficult when CSV settles in my life to incorporate another dog. & I am hoping a collie will make a good companion with nice differences in each of them to not unite against me!

[Fede86]

Originally Posted by GalomyOak

I don't know so much if it really matters if people have had positive or negative experiences. Each CSV is so different in personality.

I agree, I think every dog is unique and you also need to adapt your methods to what works better with your pup. That's why I think one of the keys to deal with dogs in general is to be open-minded and good at reading them.

Nevertheless, I guess collecting other people's experiences may be helpful.

Mine for example was never a destroyer, he never did any damage, even if he lives indoor and is free to roam around the house when he is alone... but generally he is so tired when I leave him at home that all he wants to do is sleep.

About "training", I wouldn't know since I never did that seriously (only for fun)... personally, I only cared about "education". I ask very "little" to my dog (to be able to walk at heel, with or without a leash on, to stop when I say to stop and to come when I call him) but I tried to make his response to those few requests reliable in more and more difficult situations.

What I noticed with him is that he does not care much for rewards in general. I don't use coercion because I don't like the concept, but even if I did it would not work with him (those few times I had to "force" him to do or not to do something, for emergency, it did more damage than good). He needs to be "convinced" that when you ask him to do something, that's always the best, wiser and more advantageous thing to do. In a few words, that's what makes him "reliable".

About socialization, when I got him at 60 days he was already very self confident and curious, so I didn't have much problem. He did go through a phase (around 7 to 12 months) when he was less confident and more guarded, but never "fearful", and this phase didn't last long. What I noticed about him, which is something that helped me a lot, is that if he encounters something new he never saw before he is "cautious", but he takes him about 10 seconds to decide that strange thing is not a danger and he relaxes quickly... also, if something or someone suddenly scares him or even hurts him or something "traumatic" happens, he will not bear any psychological "scar" or hard feelings, he recovers pretty quickly from such incidents and he quickly forgets about them. I guess this reduced the impact of any mistakes I may have made while socializing him during his growth.