what can be done about 'misinterpretation in the uk

[pixie]

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

u missed the point really chris,im not saying that...its people buying crosses of these dogs KNOWING they are crosses but telling people that do not know any better they are pure.

Sorry i understand now, I was just saying it can go back further than owners, breeder to breeders of the grandparents etc

[GalomyOak]

Originally Posted by pixie

Sorry i understand now, I was just saying it can go back further than owners, breeder to breeders of the grandparents etc

Was it ever determined if Brix Bix was pure or not? I know originally with Paul's litters there was some question: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9711

[tupacs2legs]

Originally Posted by GalomyOak

Was it ever determined if Brix Bix was pure or not? I know originally with Paul's litters there was some question: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9711

is that meant as a dig?

i was referring to the crossbreeds that are n.i or gsd mixes that the breeders confirm as such

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

is that meant as a dig?

i was referring to the crossbreeds that are n.i or gsd mixes that the breeders confirm as such

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood the question too then.

I thought you were talking about dogs with fake pedigrees or so.

[GalomyOak]

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

is that meant as a dig?

i was referring to the crossbreeds that are n.i or gsd mixes that the breeders confirm as such

No, not a dig at all. Two of Andre's puppies - Jorja and Raider - were (according to the wolfdog.org database, stemming from the info on forum member "neesk") reportedly living in the US. Given the situation with Paul, de Louba Tar, etc. - and the lack of transparency/honesty, I became quite interested (back in 2008...) in the fact that someone had imported "suspicious pedigree" dogs - and what it might mean for our breed in the US (there are also lines in those breedings which must be carefully considered for health, especially HD). I think the info about the dogs living in the US might actually be wrong...at some point "neesk" and user "malgor" were merged into one on the forum, but it's hard to say.

In any case, I am quite serious in wondering if the questioning of Brix Bis's pedigree was ever resolved. He is clearly a fundamental dog in the breed for the UK as it exists today - should the breed become accepted with the KC, I suspect many Americans (given the fear of language barriers) will try to import from the UK. The direction owners/breeders in the UK decide to go could have an impact for the breed here as well.

Does the KC have a policy on DNA profiling of imported dogs? The AKC requires all imported dogs to be DNA profiled before registering a litter from them - if it is the same with the KC, it would be tricky to register even pure dogs if the initially imported dogs were deceased or unavailable (and unable to be profiled). Our club has requested the AKC to create mandatory DNA profiling for domestically bred CSVs as well...but we shall see. Now we must deal with the lack of reliability of CW dogs here...it's a shame how innocent people must be left picking up the pieces from lies of other breeders.

[tupacs2legs]

Originally Posted by GalomyOak

No, not a dig at all. Two of Andre's puppies - Jorja and Raider - were (according to the wolfdog.org database, stemming from the info on forum member "neesk") reportedly living in the US. Given the situation with Paul, de Louba Tar, etc. - and the lack of transparency/honesty, I became quite interested (back in 2008...) in the fact that someone had imported "suspicious pedigree" dogs - and what it might mean for our breed in the US (there are also lines in those breedings which must be carefully considered for health, especially HD). I think the info about the dogs living in the US might actually be wrong...at some point "neesk" and user "malgor" were merged into one on the forum, but it's hard to say.

In any case, I am quite serious in wondering if the questioning of Brix Bis's pedigree was ever resolved. He is clearly a fundamental dog in the breed for the UK as it exists today - should the breed become accepted with the KC, I suspect many Americans (given the fear of language barriers) will try to import from the UK. The direction owners/breeders in the UK decide to go could have an impact for the breed here as well.

Does the KC have a policy on DNA profiling of imported dogs? The AKC requires all imported dogs to be DNA profiled before registering a litter from them - if it is the same with the KC, it would be tricky to register even pure dogs if the initially imported dogs were deceased or unavailable (and unable to be profiled). Our club has requested the AKC to create mandatory DNA profiling for domestically bred CSVs as well...but we shall see. Now we must deal with the lack of reliability of CW dogs here...it's a shame how innocent people must be left picking up the pieces from lies of other breeders.

thanks marcy for ur reply.

no the kc themselves do not require dna,they require the 'pedigree' but i would say the way forward would be to do it regardless(dna).

to be fair..the non fci dogs that are here may or may not be able to be registered...wont make me love my boy any the less

without sounding 'bitchy' i would worry more about the cw dogs we have here more than my own dogs line.(for now)

...maybe this should be on a different thread?