British Kennel Club Recognition

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by Blaidd

does that not defeat the object for UK owners and breeders? only 1 group is required. already you are choosing who you want in your click? would it not be better to be open and upfront if you want a recognised breed in the UK and everyone working together in my opinion.

Why would it defeat? what defeat the objective of select a breed properly is mixing people who want make the things seriously with people who never have done something right before and yet consider themselves specialists because "they have thousands years of experience".
Considering that CzW is not an new breed in UK, but an breed which already has been bred there and was KILLED by its own breeders - which were supose to protect and select the breed - and that's why we have this topic right now.
To make an open group which allows everyone to get in would be like an early death.

Sorry, but I would never send a dog to someone who are in the same group of Pacino, for exemple.

If they want to start again, they will NEED to be VERY selective of who will make part as breeder in their group, mainly in an country with burned reputation worldwide like in UK.

Contrary you will never be able to revive the breed there, as maximaly you will get will be low quality dogs which none wants in their country.

[Tassle]

Any Club has a committee??

It is set up by electing a chairperson, etc .....

What's the problem with everyone joining, maybe everyone who is interested doing a Bio and what they hope to sort for the club, then everyone electing? Or putting forwards names?

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Tassle

Any Club has a committee??

It is set up by electing a chairperson, etc .....

What's the problem with everyone joining, maybe everyone who is interested doing a Bio and what they hope to sort for the club, then everyone electing? Or putting forwards names?

Well, I understand what you mean but the problem with letting 'everyone' elect is that obviously as the situation is in the UK it seems that a large portion of people would vote contrary to the well-being of the breed?

That's why in clubs, there are rules as to who holds voting status usually. ..everyone is free to join, but not everyone is free to vote.

[Tassle]

Originally Posted by yukidomari

Well, I understand what you mean but the problem with letting 'everyone' elect is that obviously as the situation is in the UK it seems that a large portion of people would vote contrary to the well-being of the breed?

That's why in clubs, there are rules as to who holds voting status usually. ..everyone is free to join, but not everyone is free to vote.

I can see where you are coming from, but I also think somehow this has to be done fairly to stop as much bad feeling as possible.
There is so much bad feeling about, that any exclusion at the moment is going to seem like there is a hidden agenda.

Possibly a temporary committee, until peoples loyalty and commitment can be assessed?

[Nebulosa]

Another important thing, I told 2 different groups, one closed to selected UK breeders which will REALLY breed pure Czechoslovakian wolfdogs or help the breed in serious way, and one to people worldwide helps, like other breeders, do you all wonder why?
Then, read this topic to have an idea of what people from other countries had already passed with some "breeders" who pops trying to sell dogs in an easy way for any owner who whish it and is willing to pay the price required.

It's not only for importing pups, but with an closed group you will be able to talk openly about "why not use stud X or Y" in your breeding at that moment, without the owner or the breeder of the said stud pops at your forum in an hysterical attack telling that his stud is perfect because he won several shows and have no health problems.

Unfortunatelly, not all people are mature enough to openly accept that some times their studs or pups are not interesting to one country specifically.

[happyfeet]

and some would just like their pets to be recognised and not be breeding machines?

all this ranting must look awful to newbies, mini reminder that this is an open forum and that you are being viewed by many people i.e. guests and this threads not promoting recognition in the UK very well at all

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by happyfeet

and some would just like their pets to be recognised and not be breeding machines?

And a nice goal.

But how is that contrary to what I'm saying? All I'm saying is there has got to be some rules in place. Is that unreasonable?

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by happyfeet

and some would just like their pets to be recognised and not be breeding machines?

all this ranting must look awful to newbies, mini reminder that this is an open forum and that you are being viewed by many people i.e. guests and this threads not promoting recognition in the UK very well at all

What difference makes to have an paper telling your dog if of breed to an owner who does have his dog as Pet and nor even think about the possibility of make a litter?

Yes, I hope everyone from UK who loves CzW, who breed mixes or who wants to breed pure dogs read this topic, and realise that THANKS the people who start with the breed in your country we have such situation.
That thanks to them people who want to make a serious work will have to fight for gain the trust of the breeders again and that trust is a very fragile thing which can be broken at any small mistake.
Suppose european breeders start to trust you now and accept to send some dogs to your country, then years after it this same breeder discouver that their pups, sended to UK for breed pure dogs, has been used to make mixes and help unscrupulous people to gain money with pointless breeding?

Sorry, but for me as breeder it would be like an forever place for UK in my blacklist, and I can be sure that yout country will not be only at my list.