DM transmission: DM/DM x DM/DM = N/DM?

[Hanka]

Misty, you wrote:
""- Rambo C.W (DM/DM) x Chaddey Spod Dumbiera (N/N) produced a male which is N/N
- Rambo CW (DM/DM) x Bubka de New Flame produced a female which is N/N
- Sibir C.W.(DM/DM) x Bubka de New Flame produced a female which is N/N too

Filiation test were done, it's proved that the parents are the real parents.
Rambo has been tested twice, the 2 times the result was the same : DM/DM, it's the same for the descendants.

A problem was noticed by another breeder : a couple from free TWH produced a female which is carrier (DM/N).
Genetical test were donne too, to prouve that the parents are the real parents, and they are. ""

I think, it is not possible. Somewhere is mistake. I think human factor.....

[elf]

Little typo: it's not "Chaddey Spod Dumbiera" but "Cynthia Spod Dumbiera".

Lorry de MLS is currently trying to get all blood samples needed for more investigation to be performed.

[draggar]

Originally Posted by Hanka

I think, it is not possible. Somewhere is mistake. I think human factor.....

My question is were the tests done by the same facility or different ones? If it was different facilities who are unaffiliated then I would be worried.

[Lorry - MLS]

Originally Posted by draggar

My question is were the tests done by the same facility or different ones? If it was different facilities who are unaffiliated then I would be worried.

Rambo a été testé 2 fois, une fois chez Laboklin en prise de sang, et par Daniela en salive
Sibir a été testé 1 fois, par Daniela en salive
Cynthia (dite Chaddey) prise de sang chez laboklin
Chee Yr wôck, prise de sang, chez Laboklin
Dheer'Syb et Ckaa'Loup-Mah, 2 fois, chez Laboklin avec prise de sang....

Par le biais de Hanka, avec qui je communique beaucoup par mails, j'ai proposé à Daniela de venir chez moi, quand elle sera en France, en Juillet, pour récupérer directement le sang de Rambo ....(et de tous les chiens qui l'intéresse, pourquoi pas ....)
Pour l'instant je ne sais pas si ce sera possible pour elle ...

Suite à une discussion avec Elf, j'ai également pris l'engagement de tout mettre en oeuvre pour que Rambo, Cyntia (Chaddey) et son fils, soient de nouveau prélevés .....
J'ai d'ores et déjà pris contact avec l'un des propriétaires (j'attends une réponse) et je vois l'autre propriétaire en Suisse, Dimanche....
Histoire à suivre ....

[lupis]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Misty, you wrote:
""- Rambo C.W (DM/DM) x Chaddey Spod Dumbiera (N/N) produced a male which is N/N
- Rambo CW (DM/DM) x Bubka de New Flame produced a female which is N/N
- Sibir C.W.(DM/DM) x Bubka de New Flame produced a female which is N/N too

Filiation test were done, it's proved that the parents are the real parents.
Rambo has been tested twice, the 2 times the result was the same : DM/DM, it's the same for the descendants.

A problem was noticed by another breeder : a couple from free TWH produced a female which is carrier (DM/N).
Genetical test were donne too, to prouve that the parents are the real parents, and they are. ""

I think, it is not possible. Somewhere is mistake. I think human factor.....

I ask veterinary and he say too it is not possible. i not trust in it

[CDaniela]

- Rambo C.W (DM/DM) x Chaddey Spod Dumbiera (N/N) produced a male which is N/N
- Rambo CW (DM/DM) x Bubka de New Flame produced a female which is N/N
- Sibir C.W.(DM/DM) x Bubka de New Flame produced a female which is N/N too



It isn´t possible.

[Rona]

Originally Posted by CDaniela

- Rambo C.W (DM/DM) x Chaddey Spod Dumbiera (N/N) produced a male which is N/N
- Rambo CW (DM/DM) x Bubka de New Flame produced a female which is N/N
- Sibir C.W.(DM/DM) x Bubka de New Flame produced a female which is N/N too
It isn´t possible.

Nor even probable, according to my vet... If for obvious reasons a mistake and a lie are excluded a miracle remains. I opt for a miracle then

[jmvdwiel]

It can be true
http://www.medgen.ubc.ca/wrobinson/m...enatal/upd.htm

But in those cases I would want to know if the dogs that don't fit into the statistics are really the children of the parents.

[wolfin]

hmm strange - and now this "mutation" ( like and red nose dogs) are from one kennel when are tested almost 500 ( maybe and moore) dogs and only this dogs have not corect results.
Rona, yes all lab is ok-results are THIS SAME ( we have this same results and from OFFA and from CZ Universitat)

[Silvester]

Originally Posted by CDaniela
- Rambo C.W (DM/DM) x Chaddey Spod Dumbiera (N/N) produced a male which is N/N
- Rambo CW (DM/DM) x Bubka de New Flame produced a female which is N/N
- Sibir C.W.(DM/DM) x Bubka de New Flame produced a female which is N/N too
It isn´t possible.


Exactly - It is not possible indeed !

Quod erat demonstrantum -
but of course , yeah, a miracle can all time happen.... if one believes in such things. (??)

A miracle like the virgin birth ....!!

It´s just biological nonsense, like the example before.

Best regards, Uli alias Silvester

[Sherdor]

And why not think that the DM test is not totally OK ???

Maybe this test is not totally effective for the DM problem...

[Jet]

Originally Posted by wolfin

hmm strange - and now this "mutation" ( like and red nose dogs) are from one kennel when are tested almost 500 ( maybe and moore) dogs and only this dogs have not corect results.
Rona, yes all lab is ok-results are THIS SAME ( we have this same results and from OFFA and from CZ Universitat)

Yes it is really strange...
I really believe in Lorry, because she is working against the DM since a long time. And as she is definitly open to test her dogs, there is certainly another way to verify that.

[Lorry - MLS]

Originally Posted by Jet

Yes it is really strange...
I really believe in Lorry, because she is working against the DM since a long time. And as she is definitly open to test her dogs, there is certainly another way to verify that.

Merci de ce soutien inattendu ....

Petite intervention rapide et en français, car je n'ai pas le temps de faire de la traduction....

J'ai obtenu de la part de la propriétaire de Cyntia Spod Dumbiera de refaire les tests pour la 2ème fois, tant au niveau MD que de la filiation
Moi même je me suis engagée à refaire pour le 3ème fois, les tests de Rambo au niveau de la MD et également de la filiation ....
Nous allons mettre celà en place très prochainement et le tout sera envoyé directement à Daniela pour d'ultimes vérifications faites par Elle ....

Espérant que si elle proclame, elle même, que les résultats sont bien ceux que j'ai déjà annoncés .... on la prendra au sérieux et on ne mettra pas SA parole en doute ....

Je tenais à dire à toutes les personnes, qui semblent à chaque fois, remettre en question, la validité ou le résultat les tests effectués à plusieurs reprises que vous ne favorisez pas la volonté de transparence

Très honnêtement, si j'avais su, que je devrais autant me battre, à essayer de vous persuader que les tests n'ont pas été falsifiés, ni par moi ni par quiconque, je ne penses pas que j'aurai pris la décision d'annoncer les résultats MD publiquement ...

Je comprends mieux maintenant ceux qui font le choix de les cacher !