Mixes in 'La Louve Blanche' kennel?

[draggar]

The issue with dalmatians is that that 100% of them have some genetic issue (kidney failure?) and back in the late 70's or 80's the crossed in one generation of another breed and it cured them of this issue.

Even now, the dogs from that project, even though 99.99% dalmatian are not allowed to be registered as a dalmatian. The reason being is because the majority of the club don't want their advantage taken away. Allowing these dogs in would be a huge benefit and make the breed healthier.

It can go either way. It all depends on how the majority of the club members (or officers?) feel.

Yet other "breeds" thrive on being mixes and want to get acceptance (Inuits) or want their own selective breeding program to be it's own breed (Shiloh Shepherds).

Other times mixed litters are born and paper work is falsified. I know of a malinois / Dutch Shepherd litter but the "breeder" sold them all off as pure malinois (he even got someone who is very well known to sign off on the paperwork so they could get them registered as pure).

Its getting harder to even tell if "purebreds" if they real purebreds or not.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by draggar

Its getting harder to even tell if "purebreds" if they real purebreds or not.

Very soon it will be very very easy, in 10 years of time we will probably have DNA test on every litter on every breed

Very best regards / M

[GalomyOak]

Lol...AKC already registers these dogs - we call them "All American Dogs", Jing. We only need to give them breeding rights.

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by GalomyOak

Lol...AKC already registers these dogs - we call them "All American Dogs", Jing. We only need to give them breeding rights.

Congrats goes to the AKC then! But they must modify the name... surely these "All American Dogs" have equal fans in other countries and an arguable claim in this breed's foundation.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Hi Sasha,

can't you get someone of the SKJ having a chat with the FCI guys.
I know that Mr Stefik has quite a lot of influence in the FCI.
It could be organized through the Slovakian club, since Slovakia is the garant of the breed...

Michael

[martiou07]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Hi Sasha,

can't you get someone of the SKJ having a chat with the FCI guys.
I know that Mr Stefik has quite a lot of influence in the FCI.
It could be organized through the Slovakian club, since Slovakia is the garant of the breed...

Michael

Yes good idea Michael, chat with FCI, French club CBEI, SCC ......

Why not speak about this at the world dog show .....

[saschia]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Hi Sasha,

can't you get someone of the SKJ having a chat with the FCI guys.
I know that Mr Stefik has quite a lot of influence in the FCI.
It could be organized through the Slovakian club, since Slovakia is the garant of the breed...

Michael

I'll bring this topic to the attention of the club. I hope Oskar and Stefik will think something out. But remember the problems we had with Mutaras? This might turn out the same way.

[admin]

Originally Posted by saschia

I'll bring this topic to the attention of the club. I hope Oskar and Stefik will think something out. But remember the problems we had with Mutaras? This might turn out the same way.

No, it is something totally different. Please correct me if I'm wrong but the Mutaras were registered in Italy on the official way. Maybe it is moral not correct and maybe the Italian judges were wrong registering them as Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs and not "Saarloos wolfhounds" but the dogs were registered according the FCI rules (telling about the registries). It is why it was not possuble to remove the pedigrees of the dogs. But also why we can easily follow all the Saarloos_CsW mixes living and bred in Italy.

What apply by Italian dogs is the European law about the protected speces and wild dangerous animals saing that for keeping the F1-F4 mixes you nee special permissions.

French case is something totally different. The hybrids are not put in the register but they were registered thanks to CHEATING - with falsification of the FCI pedigrees. And it IS breaking of the FCI regulations and a FRAUD. FCI and SCC must do anything with it if they want to keep their reliability. If they will ignore this case NONE of the FCI pedigrees can be taken serious as it would show that you can fabricate the pedigrees and nobody by SCC or FCI cares for it.

Second: in some cases the animals are F1 and F2 which are forbiden to keep without any permissions. So it is also breaking of the European Union law for keeping of the wild animals (it was already mentioned here).

[Mikael]

So, Frank...

Will you test your dogs or not ???

It is a yes and no question, but can be very hard to answer anyway
But I hope you will give it a try...

Very best regards / Mikael

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Mikael

So, Frank...

Will you test your dogs or not ???

It is a yes and no question, but can be very hard to answer anyway
But I hope you will give it a try...

Very best regards / Mikael

Yes, as I did say it is a hard one to answer

And what might be the reasan for that ??? Hmmmm...

Best regards / Mikael

[Backman]

I wonder if it really is legal to write stuff like this without any proof to put on table, and why does not some higher instance then clear this out once for all, I think nobody here ever will be able to find out the truth by discussing who looks like what, that is no proof, sorry I find this little bit sad ?
I mean who are anybody of us to judge, somebody that writing peolpe here maybe not have seen, met or spoken to, I find this a thread that should be closed.


And Admin, I have Golden Eye son of Blood's Lykan. I'm very sad to read this, saarloos? He has excellent open caracter, and he is puppy, you can not from pictures say how he will be when adult.
And first of all you stole my pictures from facebook or someplace of him. Then I put up own, and you IMMEDIATELY try to find some fault with him. To talk about Frank even more. Please find out eveidence to show us before writing stuff like this. I suppose it is easy on a world wide forum to write stuff, but I think it is also sad of grown up people.

And Gabyäne, that you have put like sister to Golden Eye, are you sure she is from same litter If owner not put up the facts, because I do not know but she looks more like like from the other litter to mee, Frank had other litter too.

Well have a nice midsummer everybody, I will spend it with my dogs !!

This is my last post forever on this site. I find all discussions here really crazy...

Jenny
www.foreverwolf.nettisivu.org

[admin]

Originally Posted by Backman

I wonder if it really is legal to write stuff like this without any proof to put on table, and why does not some higher instance then clear this out once for all, I think nobody here ever will be able to find out the truth by discussing who looks like what, that is no proof, sorry I find this little bit sad ?

Please read the topic one more time. There are already people who have proves that de La Louve blanche use American Wolfdogs and mix them with CsW. Several specialist judges say openly the same - that some of the dogs by the mentioned kennel are not purebreed Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. It is what we all can see very easy.

But nobody want only to TALK about it. And to accuse anybody but IT MUST BE STOPED and the problem MUST BE SOLVED. Several French breeders already complained that they used the "suspicious dogs" and not they are not sure if their puppies are purebreed or not. Only because someone is cheatng the pedigrees it has influence on the WHOLE French population. And not only French.
Over and over again we ask the French kennel club to start testing and to remove the mutts (take away the pedigrees of the dogs which are CSW-AWD-mixes).

Believe me - we all have the same goals. We want to be sure that every CsW with the FCI pedigree is a CSW and that the parents listed in the pedigree are real parents of this dog. I hope the official DNA tests will be done as soon as possible and the whole problem will be solved as soon as possible.

[pariduzz]

But why do you complain Backman?
You dont' know your dog is a mix?Have you find in him a little think of Ashoka,Voice,Amore Mio or Arys ?

Destroy your fake pedigree and nobody will haunt more you and your strange mix dogs

You invoked the law and fairness and then you disappear dogs and entered the mix dogs in their place

I am glad that wolfdog.org is finally opening his eyes

I'm ready if you need, to offer all the support in the future for any economic and legal proceedings,and I am deeply grateful to you for the task of unmasking these impostors

The situation in Italy is extremely worrying, and I hope that the italian club instead of commenting and make compliments to mix on facebook will finally decides to act and do something

think that a baby mix coming from France, and arrived here a few weeks ago, has already many pre-reservations from (well know) italian breeders

but above all for a great effect emulation (great breeders who use mix and selling their dogs to stratospheric price), and saw the unexplained silence of italian club, I assure you that many are starting to use "contaminations" in consideration of the large marketability of these mixes and the morphology incredibly similar to the wolf

[lupis]

Originally Posted by Backman

I mean who are anybody of us to judge, somebody that writing peolpe here maybe not have seen, met or spoken to, I find this a thread that should be closed.

i not understand people like you. you know furyos make shit with this breed but you buy next puppy frrom same kennel? next mix and breed new mixes?
you breed CLC. if you not blind you see dog from louve blanche are strange mixes. not wolfdogs.