Puppy prices

[saschia]

I cannot speak for others - but as I said, what I say if asked by foreigners, is 1000 euro with possible discounts. Which means it can go down. From Slovaks, I say 400 if you sign contract, otherwise more (and they cannot resell the pup, too). If I said 1000 with discounts, they would just put down the phone and never contact me again...

But, Daiva, I think you know what can be ment by Slovak papers... Slovakia and Czech rep have the most strong limitations on breeding. Plus here are the most knowledgeable judges, so results from Nitra show are much more valid than from Vienna, Paris, Rome etc shows - or should be.

Morian - yes, but Slovaks who can afford 1000 euro for a puppy will not want a CSW, they'll want something more fashionable. They want a thing not a dog mostly, or not a dog in a sense like I understand it. Maybe some do, but there are only a few of them (and some go and buy pups abroad, for some strange reasons).

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by saschia

I cannot speak for others - but as I said, what I say if asked by foreigners, is 1000 euro with possible discounts. Which means it can go down. From Slovaks, I say 400 if you sign contract, otherwise more (and they cannot resell the pup, too). If I said 1000 with discounts, they would just put down the phone and never contact me again...

But, Daiva, I think you know what can be ment by Slovak papers... Slovakia and Czech rep have the most strong limitations on breeding. Plus here are the most knowledgeable judges, so results from Nitra show are much more valid than from Vienna, Paris, Rome etc shows - or should be.

You think but and in others country are tested dogs with slovak or czech bonitation, healty testing ( moore not only HD) and with judgement this same judge and moore - in this case you say this same like this breeder- You mas pay from only slovak paper pedigree )) but not for moore.
( not be bad for this worts but this are reality)

[saschia]

Originally Posted by wolfin

You think but and in others country are tested dogs with slovak or czech bonitation, healty testing ( moore not only HD) and with judgement this same judge and moore - in this case you say this same like this breeder- You mas pay from only slovak paper pedigree ))

I agree, if you have all the requirements, than the value of the pups is similar to pups from slovak breeding. But where can you get puppies (FCI pedigree to be exact) cheaper for their value than in Slovakia or Czech republic? If the breeder doesn't want to give discount to you, then ask other breeder. You want that individual pup? Than there sure is some value in it for you, so why do you complain?

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by saschia

I agree, if you have all the requirements, than the value of the pups is similar to pups from slovak breeding. But where can you get puppies (FCI pedigree to be exact) cheaper for their value than in Slovakia or Czech republic? If the breeder doesn't want to give discount to you, then ask other breeder. You want that individual pup? Than there sure is some value in it for you, so why do you complain?

for me not big problem- i have friends breeders in SK and I have good variants, but now speake about others people, who not know slovak breeders good - and later have very big eyes when see this price diferent 2 x time moore like sale in SK for slovak. ( all hystory about slovak paper pedigree is real I can say and breeder name if want, but in PM)

[Morian]

Originally Posted by saschia

Morian - yes, but Slovaks who can afford 1000 euro for a puppy will not want a CSW, they'll want something more fashionable. They want a thing not a dog mostly, or not a dog in a sense like I understand it. Maybe some do, but there are only a few of them (and some go and buy pups abroad, for some strange reasons).

then i stop to understand why some sk breeders don't want to sell pups to russia for example (last year i got 2 such answers - "all the pups will be sold to slovakians only", well, in the end one was sold to russia and here it disappeared and even its breeder didn't know wtf because as i heard the pup was sold via another person)... it's possible to find normal people even here + we need good pups after 2 non fci litters and more 2 litters from parents without even hd (+ very easily you can see list of russian wilfdogs, sometimes it's very tragic ).

[saschia]

Morian, I don't want to advertise too much, but if you know about somebody who wants good pups for good price and offers good home and even some perspective, then you know who to contact...

I could understand the approach you mentioned if the litter was small and of really interesting blood (or some breeding committee plan for breed development). I could also understand if the breeder doesn't have good experience with the country (like will I sell there if there is a high risk of puppies being used for non-FCI-friendly or even mix breeding? is the contract enough to provide me with leverage to prevent that king of development?)

[Morian]

Originally Posted by saschia

Morian, I don't want to advertise too much, but if you know about somebody who wants good pups for good price and offers good home and even some perspective, then you know who to contact...

I could understand the approach you mentioned if the litter was small and of really interesting blood (or some breeding committee plan for breed development). I could also understand if the breeder doesn't have good experience with the country (like will I sell there if there is a high risk of puppies being used for non-FCI-friendly or even mix breeding? is the contract enough to provide me with leverage to prevent that king of development?)

if somebody asks - i will give them you coordinates, thanks

it's very stupid that one pup from the litter i mentioned finally WAS SOLD to russia, but via other persons and in the end this pup DISAPPEARED! if it all is still right, info for database was sent by its owner, but later this person answered that she doesn't know about any csv pup and she has none etc. but also she filled her profile by her own hand i think and admin got her info from her... very stupid situation. and what forced this breeder to refuse to me, but to sell this pup to that person... unundarstandble. i will not publish more concrete info, but it really happened.

[Vaiva]

I just do not understand one thing - if we speak about how expensive it is to breed and so sad nobody wants to pay 3000 euros for a puppy... Nobody forces to breed Yes, breeding is a very expensive (in many meanings, not only money) hobby, it does not have to "pay"...
And it is totally unfair to count the price of a female, of her food, vaccinations, health tests - and then to "include" it to the puppy price

[Morian]

vaiva, i think this calculation was made just to understand better why the price is 1000, but not much less or much more and as you can see it shows very clear that breeding of csv can't be commercial in cases of "family breeder", hobby etc.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Morian

vaiva, i think this calculation was made just to understand better why the price is 1000, but not much less or much more and as you can see it shows very clear that breeding of csv can't be commercial in cases of "family breeder", hobby etc.

But the calculation really does not show anything
Also doesn't explain the different prices.

[massimo]

Puppy prices do NOT reflect in most cases the quality of the dog.

Puppy price is decided by the Market and the ignorance of the buyer (as opposed to the knowledge)

I was VERY lucky with my first dog, i had no experience at all and I got a wonderful healthy beautiful strong male.
He is 8 years old and still looks and behave as if he was 2.

With experience, time, dedication, you learn what is important to look for when buying a puppy.

Ignorance brings most to look for the most wolfish looking parents.
Ignorance brings them to spend 2 or 3.000 euros to a breeder who puts NO effort in breeding than to just mate wolfish looking dogs... regardless of bloodline or health or character.
And sometimes they even DONT use a wolfdog but a wolf Hybrid and sell them as wolfdogs.
In this case I consider these people CRIMINALS and wouldn't spend a penny on their dogs.

Those who do are Ingorant AND stupid.

Studying well the bloodline of the puppy you buy, the health and morfology of the parents and the grand parents and if possible even the puppies from previous litters.

But that is NOT enough...you also should look at how the breeder treats his dogs, how he grows them up.

I have puppies from very different breeders.
I trust ALL of them, regardless of what many people say on this forum.
Because I KNOW, i went to their homes, I saw how they treat their dogs.
I wouldn't do some mistakes they do, but these mistakes are not enough for me not to buy a puppy from them.
Some of them became my friends and I trust them not only as breeders.

Finally, i believe it is a DUTY of the breeders to select the new owners, not just to chase their money.
A good owner is a good advertisement for your kennel too.
Sometimes it is worth giving a puppy for a lower price than usual JUST because the new owner is a good one.
In my case I am sure my breeder/friends know it.

[massimo]

Of course, for me it's obvious but i forgot to mention it,
the efforts a breeder can do about character and morphology are to train the dog (basic training would be great but more training would be even greater), bonitation.
I am ready to spend 1000 or more on a dog who's parents are bonitated, have done basic training, some shows with breed expert judges...

About dog shows...I learnt after 8 years that dog shows mean NOTHING, really really nothing.
Because most judges know much less than we do about CSW.
The dog show results are just a good publicity, nothing else.
With exception to when the judges are also Breed Experts.
No offences to the others, but I consider today breed experts only 3 people.
Monika Soukupova, Oskar Dora and Sonja Bognarova.
And even they are human beings and can make mistakes.
Any result from other judges to my eyes are meaningless.

[Vaiva]

Nearly 5 years ago I moved from a rental flat in the oldtown to an even smaller but OWN flat near a big park (Vilnius looks like a forest when you are landing by plane - this is because of many parks). This was the point where my "I need a dog" became... well... I could simply start crying just thinking about it... Like a child. Then I heared about the first wolfdogs litter in Lithuania. Tried to contact wolfin. Got positive answer and the price... Much too big for two students... I will not tell all the story, but wolfin then gave me a chance to have Brukne ("I want you to have her" ) and little by little I paid the price of my dog.
There were times where we had like 2 euros for two people for a week (for food). But the dog was always FIRST. She was always well fed, always had good vets, always most loved.
Now I am not having the best financial situation ever but still my dog comes first than a vaccation/cosmetics/new shoes/evening out. And I will always think that a person who can not just pay 1000 or smth euros for a dog at once still can be a very good owner.