Puppy prices

[saschia]

Yes, but if you do the breeding for business, then you need to not only cover your expenses like these, you have to count everything as expense (as you'll pay the taxes, so you want to minimize that), you have to count on risks like yo'll get all the things done but the bitch will be not good enough for breeding (and you should not breed bad bitches), so that's just the money down the drain - and you can resell the bitch but you won't get the expenses and time back.

So all in all, I understand that the pro-breeders ask so much money, I just don't understand that people pay that kind of money, when there are cheaper litters from good quality parents available (even if you'd travel across Europe to get the pup yourself).

I mean, you expect to pay obscene prices for Prada shoes and i-dont-know-the-brands handbags and only small money for chinese look-alikes, but the pups are pups, the parents are comparable (often better as they are tested by experts), the result are often just luck, as you cannot predict much, so why?

[Morian]

i don't understand it too. if i want to buy a csv pup, i look for info about csv, i find dogs, i find owners etc, so finally i can imagine what is a quality pup, what its parents must have except show titles. i think that such people which buy nobody-knows-what-and-who-knows-doesn't-wanna-name-it don't look for info = have no interest = they want just to buy right now and they even don't interest what do they buy = thanks god that they buy pups from other breeders, not from you
and also i don't understand why do some breeders have the same quality, tests etc, and even better sometimes, but don't want 1000 eur and more for their pups

[saschia]

Originally Posted by Morian

and also i don't understand why do some breeders have the same quality, tests etc, and even better sometimes, but don't want 1000 eur and more for their pups

Because small breeders cannot afford to keep the pups if not sold - so they sell cheaper rather than not at all. Some people say I should even plan the litter if I don't have buyers up front, but that wouldn't work for me - I want to know at least if and when exactly we are expecting before I promise anything...

[saschia]

Daiva - because the value is 1000 euro, but Slovak buyers won't buy for that money. You can say that the expenses for my two litters were around 10 000 Euro, but I only got 1000 Euro for the whole previous litter (3 pups, domestic buyers). I don;t ask foreigners to pay 1000 automatically - I try to adjust the prices to the normal prices in that country, and am always open to the discussion with prospective buyers, but don't ask me to charge only 500 euro from people who will later sell their pups for 3500 each... I have very similar expenses but much smaller incomes.

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by saschia

Daiva - because the value is 1000 euro, but Slovak buyers won't buy for that money. You can say that the expenses for my two litters were around 10 000 Euro, but I only got 1000 Euro for the whole previous litter (3 pups, domestic buyers). I don;t ask foreigners to pay 1000 automatically - I try to adjust the prices to the normal prices in that country, and am always open to the discussion with prospective buyers, but don't ask me to charge only 500 euro from people who will later sell their pups for 3500 each... I have very similar expenses but much smaller incomes.

but I quest- WHY one price are in SK and others to people from others country? Ok we too not are rich country but mas pay this same 1000 euro if want to bring good male or female from SK ( or hi hi hi like say one breeder ( who have reklama in this sk. web site too) - "You buy not a dog, you buy SLOVAK paper pedigree and for this mas pay")

[saschia]

I cannot speak for others - but as I said, what I say if asked by foreigners, is 1000 euro with possible discounts. Which means it can go down. From Slovaks, I say 400 if you sign contract, otherwise more (and they cannot resell the pup, too). If I said 1000 with discounts, they would just put down the phone and never contact me again...

But, Daiva, I think you know what can be ment by Slovak papers... Slovakia and Czech rep have the most strong limitations on breeding. Plus here are the most knowledgeable judges, so results from Nitra show are much more valid than from Vienna, Paris, Rome etc shows - or should be.

Morian - yes, but Slovaks who can afford 1000 euro for a puppy will not want a CSW, they'll want something more fashionable. They want a thing not a dog mostly, or not a dog in a sense like I understand it. Maybe some do, but there are only a few of them (and some go and buy pups abroad, for some strange reasons).

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by saschia

I cannot speak for others - but as I said, what I say if asked by foreigners, is 1000 euro with possible discounts. Which means it can go down. From Slovaks, I say 400 if you sign contract, otherwise more (and they cannot resell the pup, too). If I said 1000 with discounts, they would just put down the phone and never contact me again...

But, Daiva, I think you know what can be ment by Slovak papers... Slovakia and Czech rep have the most strong limitations on breeding. Plus here are the most knowledgeable judges, so results from Nitra show are much more valid than from Vienna, Paris, Rome etc shows - or should be.

You think but and in others country are tested dogs with slovak or czech bonitation, healty testing ( moore not only HD) and with judgement this same judge and moore - in this case you say this same like this breeder- You mas pay from only slovak paper pedigree )) but not for moore.
( not be bad for this worts but this are reality)

[Morian]

Originally Posted by saschia

Morian - yes, but Slovaks who can afford 1000 euro for a puppy will not want a CSW, they'll want something more fashionable. They want a thing not a dog mostly, or not a dog in a sense like I understand it. Maybe some do, but there are only a few of them (and some go and buy pups abroad, for some strange reasons).

then i stop to understand why some sk breeders don't want to sell pups to russia for example (last year i got 2 such answers - "all the pups will be sold to slovakians only", well, in the end one was sold to russia and here it disappeared and even its breeder didn't know wtf because as i heard the pup was sold via another person)... it's possible to find normal people even here + we need good pups after 2 non fci litters and more 2 litters from parents without even hd (+ very easily you can see list of russian wilfdogs, sometimes it's very tragic ).

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by saschia

So all in all, I understand that the pro-breeders ask so much money, I just don't understand that people pay that kind of money, when there are cheaper litters from good quality parents available (even if you'd travel across Europe to get the pup yourself).

http://zvierata.bazos.sk/?hledat=Ces...alita=&iddel=1

why if for this puppy quest people from others country ( not from SK or CZ) automaticly price be 1000 euro? not why this same ( yes yes export pedigree pet pasport and chip we can pay too)


p.s. for this later are cheaper buyt others puppy from this super ch when people have this dogs in theys countrys or near home

[Morian]

wolfin, how much does export pedigree cost in europe?

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by Morian

wolfin, how much does export pedigree cost in europe?

hmm I can say LT price- about 50 euro. pet pasport and chip in LT -30 euro.

[Morian]

o! chip is even cheaper than at us...
by the way, strange logic - people which can come and buy pup from any neighbour town pay 400 and people which have to go very far, make visas etc pay 1000 but ok, i have nothing againist 1000 eur, only if i'm sure in the litter's quality

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by Morian

o! chip is even cheaper than at us...

in Poland if I good member price are 10.... euro