About wolfhybrids

[hanninadina]

There is no statistic how many wolfdogs are in shelters. But there are not so many shelters and they are in contact with each other and I am in contact with some of them. Very easy, if you use internet and are able to talk to people, you get the information. The total number of wolfdogs is written in Dave Mech´s book from 2003, and I got the number from the scientist Prof. Dr. Ray Pierotti and from the biggest breeders. So I made a middle number. And as I wrote in facebook are in the meantime hundreds wof people having wolfdogs and rescue shelters and breeders. And I am in contact with all. It is a far bigger community like the csw. Of course having only about 5.000 csw world wide it is nothing to compare to 700.000 american wolfdogs.

And I am of course in very good contact to the scandinavian wolfdog owners. Most live in Finland.

Ann created her own breed the "Alaskan Noble Companion Dogs". It is very simple. She is trainer too and takes from other people the exam. She is very experienced. But that you can read on my website I put the link here in.

Buschgardens, I know, that are animals from Lorraine. The wolf/wolfdog world is very small. And because of my animals and I am one of a handfull people who imported an animal from the north america, write for the wolfdogs magazine, have a good website, have the contact to the most important wolf researchers like Dave, Bob, Ray and Greg it makes an all in all for me and people do know me. And it does not often happen that Monty Sloan visit private persons. But he did with me, we are friends.

And I am friend too with Mark Rowlands "The Philosopher and the Wolf". So I have experience not only with my own animals, but I get all important information first hand! And so I am wondering that a person like Fenris, who even does not have a csw means to know about the wolfdog world.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by hanninadina

Of course having only about 5.000 csw world wide it is nothing to compare to 700.000 american wolfdogs.

"CsV that is alive today is about 7500 (2009-01-01)"

And as I know "American Wolfdog" is not a breed but a way of breeding, and it´s therefor very hard (or impossible) to say they are like this or that...

Very best regards / Mikael

PS, I like all Wolfdogs, but not all owners and breeders. DS

And whit that I do not mean you

[hanninadina]

I talked with Margo in may in germany about the overall number and we both thought about around 5.000. Of course it could be some more.

[fenris]

I am not against wolfdogs or wolfhybrids, but am alarmed to "blow the whistle" when some gives the impression that highpercentage or even pure wolves are easier to to keep than a regular CWD. Wolves and high %-age wolfdogs can be dangerous in the hand of the lay-man and the ignorant and every experienced wolf behaviorist or wolf scientist or wolfdog breeder will agree. I hope I misunderstand the self-acclaimed specialist, but to prevent other without experience who has the desire for a highpercentage wolfdog or a desire to mix more wolfblood into the CWD I feel an obligation to react to her claims.

Hanninadias close friend who makes special private visit to her, the photographer Monty Sloans has published this about the wolfdog:
"Wolves and high-content wolf-hybrids should never be regarded as pets"
See his whole article here:http://www.wolfpark.org/Images/Educa...Guidelines.pdf
W However , of the animals that I`ve seen or heard of that are good with children, most are low in content or young". See this whole article here: http://www.wolfpark.org/Images/Educa...dsChildren.pdf
I would also recommend Erik Klingenhammer , the mentor wolf behaviorist from WolfPark, article on wolfhybrids: http://www.wolfpark.org/Images/Educa...ionHybrids.pdf

Ann Dresselhouse dogs, the Noble Alaskan Companion Dogs, are accordinig to herself a mix between at least 6 dog breeds. Sighthounds, collies, shepherds, white siberian huskies &.c. This amalgam of dogbreeds is very specially developed for their trainablility although wolflike in appearance. Maybe this explains Hanninadians experience with her dogs.

[hanninadina]

I did not say that wolves and high content are pets. You remember, a Ferrari is not a family car?! But csw are too no pets. Because of the gsd in them they are much more hyperactiv and aggressiv than hc and wolves are! I can experience everyday here with visit from dogpeople with their dogs. With my american ones it is no problem, with the csw it is and it is with all csw! I guess you do not have any experience with csw too living in Norway. And my csw are very friendly - to people, you can see this in the video when you click the pic in the tv studio. I can take them in a bar with loud music and hundreds of people walking over them.

I have no experience with Ann her dogs. Noomi is family, yes. I have experience with a lot of different lines because I go to the meetings and visit the owners. Ann is for over 20 years in business. I talk only about her wolflike dogs. I will get to know them next year, because she will get a pup from me and I one from her.

Monty is only in wolf business. That paper is over 10 years old. He does not know the breeders, only the old ones. Monty had a wolfdog for his own, but a low content. He does send all people who have problems to Nicole Wilde - Living with wolfdogs from A - Z. So do not believe everything you read or see in tv. Than you must believe that the csw in germany are beasts after all what was shown this year!

Again, please come down to germany, I invite you. I would be very happy, if you would meet my animals and make your own picture! You are welcome.

Christian

[fenris]

Thank you Hannidiana for inviting me. I trust you have good intentions. But I will wait a few years until your dogs have become a little older and you have collected some more experience with wolfdogs.

Your friend Monty Sloans article is maybe a few years old, but he still has the same opinion. Just make a phonecall to him and ask him. And now you bring up Nicole Wilde as a more experienced person. Well, Nicole Wilde has exactly the same opinion as I have. This is what Nicole Wilde writes:
"Welcome to the reality of having wolfdogs. Again, these are not dogs, and no one without specialized knowledge of their behavior and needs should be working with them, period." And more from Nicole Wilde: "Wolves as a species are afraid of humans. Wolfdogs, especially the higher-content individuals (who generally look and act wolfier than dogs) tend to be on the shy, skittish side. They have special needs as far as early socialization if they are to be workable “pets” and live in the world rather than spending their lives in an enclosure. They can be very sensitive and require an extremely gentle approach in training. One false move and the bond of trust between wolfdog and owner can be broken forever. Behavior modification with wolfdogs requires plenty of patience, and one should never push these animals over threshold."
So you must understand that you cannot compare this animals to normal dogs. It is dangerous. Its lots of ignorant people out there whom will beleive you and buy themselves a wolfhybrid and raise them as normal dogs. Also CWD owners who beleive that their experiences with a CWD makes them competent to own a wolf or cross their wolfdog with a pure wolf and sell the offspring. You like to compare them to a Ferrari automobile. OK - do that, but remember that if you drive your Ferrari at 230 km/h on the local road in the neighbourhood and survived is partly driving skills, but mostly pure luck. And understand how stupid it is to recommend the public to drive 240 km/h on the local roads because you did it yourself and survived.

[hanninadina]

I only judge what I personlly see and live with. Of course there are enough people who do not inform well. The Ferrari example is simply, no one drives with a Ferrari on a gravle road. The 240 km/h is in german normal. On our highways you are on most parts allowed to drive as fast you want. The people do not die on these highways but in the cities mostly.

Wolf- and Wolfdog rescuers are getting almost only in contact and touch with people who have problems with their animals. Like in germany the normal dog shelters get in touch with people who have problems with their dogs and gave them away. But they do not get in touch with the majority of people who do not have problems. I put in here the link to the wolfconnection, you can easyly watch the pics where they are hiking with their high content wolfdogs, leash trained dogs and even with kids. Monty and Nicole know for example Mace Loftus from the wolf crossing and know very well that they do have no problems for over 20 years. Monty of course knows that I do have no problems as well. Noomi did have already two heats, she adult and adult. And guess what with every heat she is more friendly to me and becomes more open to people.

The problem is people like you read this and think oh wow, all wolfdogs and owners are like this. But the truth I told here, only 20.000 = 2,7 % in shelter! This is the truth. So please do not turn around the facts. And again, I have experience with 8 year dogs, I went with them to McDonalds met small dogs and children without any problem.

Better you come now and than in 2 years again, so you can make a good comparison. That is always funny, people like you who are only knowledge because of reading, will not come. All these open people come and will be convinced immediately.

You mentioned a lot of dog breeds in Ann her wolfdogs. Where did you have it from? Here is a pic from Noomi´s aunts and grandma. Do you really think that there are all these dogs in you mentioned?

[cindy23323]

Originally Posted by hanninadina

There is no statistic how many wolfdogs are in shelters. But there are not so many shelters and they are in contact with each other and I am in contact with some of them. Very easy, if you use internet and are able to talk to people, you get the information. The total number of wolfdogs is written in Dave Mech´s book from 2003, and I got the number from the scientist Prof. Dr. Ray Pierotti and from the biggest breeders. So I made a middle number. And as I wrote in facebook are in the meantime hundreds wof people having wolfdogs and rescue shelters and breeders. And I am in contact with all. It is a far bigger community like the csw. Of course having only about 5.000 csw world wide it is nothing to compare to 700.000 american wolfdogs.

And I am of course in very good contact to the scandinavian wolfdog owners. Most live in Finland.

Ann created her own breed the "Alaskan Noble Companion Dogs". It is very simple. She is trainer too and takes from other people the exam. She is very experienced. But that you can read on my website I put the link here in.

Buschgardens, I know, that are animals from Lorraine. The wolf/wolfdog world is very small. And because of my animals and I am one of a handfull people who imported an animal from the north america, write for the wolfdogs magazine, have a good website, have the contact to the most important wolf researchers like Dave, Bob, Ray and Greg it makes an all in all for me and people do know me. And it does not often happen that Monty Sloan visit private persons. But he did with me, we are friends.

And I am friend too with Mark Rowlands "The Philosopher and the Wolf". So I have experience not only with my own animals, but I get all important information first hand! And so I am wondering that a person like Fenris, who even does not have a csw means to know about the wolfdog world.

I know animals at Busch Gardens are from Deborah Warrick and Mace Loftus has two there also. But i was unaware of Lorraine having any there.

[hanninadina]

For those of you who are in facebook can now see two short video clips from Wolfscience Center which I took last week during my three day stay there. Please look under my profile or wolfdogs magazine.

Christian Berge