Italian bonitations

Juniorwolf · 08-09-2009, 12:31

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Originally Posted by Hanka

Rolf, please where was video from czech bonitation? I had not see it......?

I did not mention any video from Czech bonitation, but from Slovak bonitation.

Greetings Rolf

Hanka · 08-09-2009, 12:47

Ok, thanks

Navarre · 08-09-2009, 15:04

There is a main difference form italian and czech-slovakian character test : in the italian test the dog is never leaved ALONE.

I think this is a big difference that justify considering it a different test that should have different code as results.

Juniorwolf · 08-09-2009, 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navarre

There is a main difference form italian and czech-slovakian character test : in the italian test the dog is never leaved ALONE.

I think this is a big difference that justify considering it a different test that should have different code as results.

...and the main difference between Czech and Slovak bonitations is aggeression in the charactertest, different ways of interpret the R1 code, the index and 1cm to little = P14.

This is 4 things, the Italian bonitation only have 1 difference compared to the Czech bonitation, so this should justify considering it a different test and different ways of jugdement, Czech and Slovak bonitations should have different codes as results

I will repeat my self again : one difference is not worser than another, it is still a difference.

Greetings Rolf

Monika · 08-09-2009, 17:50

Please, let Judge to say if dog is melancholic, choleric, sangvinic, flegmatic or something between this characteristic. Be alone I can lern shy dog without problem.
Important is, if the test is able to say something about volume of excitement and inhibition simply, about the adaptability and robustness aginst shot. And this italian test do it!
The bureaucracy not belong to breeding of dogs and wolfdog. org with admin WITHOUT NAME do it, simply.
I am sorry for my English.

Monika Soukupová

massimo · 10-09-2009, 01:47

Maybe some of you are interested to know what and how the bonitations in Italy really are.
As it was already said, the morphology is more or less the same as in other countries.
The difference is the Character test.
Some of you know that the character test is made, in Slovakia for example, first by doing a human group and the dog must walk within it.
Then the dog is tied to a pole an the figurant comes out once attacking him and then trying to have a normal contact with him in a calm way.
By these features, the judge is supposed to know, also considering how the dog behaved during the measurement, what kind of character code it deserves.
In italy we have the same group introduction, then the dog is tied up to a long leash and the onwer is holding the other side.
The figurant comes out of the revier with a menacing approach and the dog must react to the person protecting his owner and never pulling back.

We also have a moment in which somebody shoots to empty shots in the air and the dog must remain as it was before, no fear or anger.

I want to share the videos with you, maybe you have some further comments.

In this video Barishka is teaching Mio some manners...she is used to much stronger males...sorry!!

martiou07 · 10-09-2009, 09:12

hello, thank you for these vidéos.

how made you in Italy for correctly judging the characters in the presence of the owner ???

I made pass the bonitation to my female by Monika Soukupova, the test of character passed in my presence then without my presence. This year Daiva Rimaityte made pass to my male, the test of character without my presence. Thus a Czech bonitation and Slovak, we have well could see the character.

correct me if i am wrong :

interest of this test is to see whether the dog is able to go up in pressure and to go down again in pressure when it there does not have threat in front of the same person and without the owner?

I really do not see how to judge the character correctly; a dog then it is with its owner?? the dog defers its confidence on its owner, and the reaction can be completely different without its owner.

Afflicted, but I am not agreement with the test of character of the Italian bonitation, for me the results are not right whole .....

impossible to see whether the dog of itself goes down again in pressure, therefore to see the real stability of the dog , no ???

why do Italy make different test, which reproach towards the tests of Czech and Slovak ?????

sorry for my english

Martial

wolfin · 10-09-2009, 10:28

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Originally Posted by massimo

attack:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/3904533370/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/3904574640/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/3904510540/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/39036911

khmm i not saw normal psychical test ONLY training to defence with figurant and veeery gut figurant, he make dog agresive to atack, but this is training not normal behavior test, who make dog when in real he atack other man when he is alone without owner.
Nice training but not moore

08-09-2009, 15:04	#3
Navarre VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Roma Posts: 5,998	There is a main difference form italian and czech-slovakian character test : in the italian test the dog is never leaved ALONE. I think this is a big difference that justify considering it a different test that should have different code as results. __________________ Susanna & Gianluca & Andrea & Navarre & Isabeau & Brandimarte & Anastasia & Lana Last Navarre & Beau Isabeau

08-09-2009, 17:50	#5
Monika Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 346	Please, let Judge to say if dog is melancholic, choleric, sangvinic, flegmatic or something between this characteristic. Be alone I can lern shy dog without problem. Important is, if the test is able to say something about volume of excitement and inhibition simply, about the adaptability and robustness aginst shot. And this italian test do it! The bureaucracy not belong to breeding of dogs and wolfdog. org with admin WITHOUT NAME do it, simply. I am sorry for my English. Monika Soukupová Last edited by Monika; 08-09-2009 at 17:54.

10-09-2009, 01:47	#6
massimo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Prague 6 Posts: 2,090	Maybe some of you are interested to know what and how the bonitations in Italy really are. As it was already said, the morphology is more or less the same as in other countries. The difference is the Character test. Some of you know that the character test is made, in Slovakia for example, first by doing a human group and the dog must walk within it. Then the dog is tied to a pole an the figurant comes out once attacking him and then trying to have a normal contact with him in a calm way. By these features, the judge is supposed to know, also considering how the dog behaved during the measurement, what kind of character code it deserves. In italy we have the same group introduction, then the dog is tied up to a long leash and the onwer is holding the other side. The figurant comes out of the revier with a menacing approach and the dog must react to the person protecting his owner and never pulling back. We also have a moment in which somebody shoots to empty shots in the air and the dog must remain as it was before, no fear or anger. I want to share the videos with you, maybe you have some further comments. In this video Barishka is teaching Mio some manners...she is used to much stronger males...sorry!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/39038527 Bonitations: Group: http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/3903841 http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/39045516 http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/39044903 http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/3904460 Gunshot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/3904612042/ attack: http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/3904533370/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/3904574640/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/3904510540/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/39036911 __________________ ---------- Oliver & Lunatica

10-09-2009, 09:12	#7
martiou07 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: France Posts: 1,986	hello, thank you for these vidéos. how made you in Italy for correctly judging the characters in the presence of the owner ??? I made pass the bonitation to my female by Monika Soukupova, the test of character passed in my presence then without my presence. This year Daiva Rimaityte made pass to my male, the test of character without my presence. Thus a Czech bonitation and Slovak, we have well could see the character. correct me if i am wrong : interest of this test is to see whether the dog is able to go up in pressure and to go down again in pressure when it there does not have threat in front of the same person and without the owner? I really do not see how to judge the character correctly; a dog then it is with its owner?? the dog defers its confidence on its owner, and the reaction can be completely different without its owner. Afflicted, but I am not agreement with the test of character of the Italian bonitation, for me the results are not right whole ..... impossible to see whether the dog of itself goes down again in pressure, therefore to see the real stability of the dog , no ??? why do Italy make different test, which reproach towards the tests of Czech and Slovak ????? sorry for my english Martial __________________ Last edited by martiou07; 10-09-2009 at 09:47.

08-09-2009, 12:47	#2
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Ok, thanks