Italian bonitations

Hanka · 08/09/09, 10:30

Rolf, please where was video from czech bonitation? I had not see it......?
Rona, I think, it is not funny to go 2x or more to bonitation with one dog. I don´t understand why somebody do it. Maybe he wait best result for publicing?

Rona · 08/09/09, 11:03

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Originally Posted by Hanka

Rona, I think, it is not funny to go 2x or more to bonitation with one dog.

Polish owners are not bound to obey Czech or Slovakian regulations, so why not?

Czech owners do not need to obey Polish ones (shows), either...

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Originally Posted by Hanka

I don´t understand why somebody do it. Maybe he wait best result for publicing?

Neither do I

But since the dog gets the same P1 code every time, it's definitely not the case you mention

Maybe the owner just enjoys it?

Juniorwolf · 08/09/09, 12:31

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Originally Posted by Hanka

Rolf, please where was video from czech bonitation? I had not see it......?

I did not mention any video from Czech bonitation, but from Slovak bonitation.

Greetings Rolf

Hanka · 08/09/09, 12:47

Ok, thanks

Navarre · 08/09/09, 15:04

There is a main difference form italian and czech-slovakian character test : in the italian test the dog is never leaved ALONE.

I think this is a big difference that justify considering it a different test that should have different code as results.

Juniorwolf · 08/09/09, 15:54

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Originally Posted by Navarre

There is a main difference form italian and czech-slovakian character test : in the italian test the dog is never leaved ALONE.

I think this is a big difference that justify considering it a different test that should have different code as results.

...and the main difference between Czech and Slovak bonitations is aggeression in the charactertest, different ways of interpret the R1 code, the index and 1cm to little = P14.

This is 4 things, the Italian bonitation only have 1 difference compared to the Czech bonitation, so this should justify considering it a different test and different ways of jugdement, Czech and Slovak bonitations should have different codes as results

I will repeat my self again : one difference is not worser than another, it is still a difference.

Greetings Rolf

Monika · 08/09/09, 17:50

Please, let Judge to say if dog is melancholic, choleric, sangvinic, flegmatic or something between this characteristic. Be alone I can lern shy dog without problem.
Important is, if the test is able to say something about volume of excitement and inhibition simply, about the adaptability and robustness aginst shot. And this italian test do it!
The bureaucracy not belong to breeding of dogs and wolfdog. org with admin WITHOUT NAME do it, simply.
I am sorry for my English.

Monika Soukupová

massimo · 10/09/09, 01:47

Maybe some of you are interested to know what and how the bonitations in Italy really are.
As it was already said, the morphology is more or less the same as in other countries.
The difference is the Character test.
Some of you know that the character test is made, in Slovakia for example, first by doing a human group and the dog must walk within it.
Then the dog is tied to a pole an the figurant comes out once attacking him and then trying to have a normal contact with him in a calm way.
By these features, the judge is supposed to know, also considering how the dog behaved during the measurement, what kind of character code it deserves.
In italy we have the same group introduction, then the dog is tied up to a long leash and the onwer is holding the other side.
The figurant comes out of the revier with a menacing approach and the dog must react to the person protecting his owner and never pulling back.

We also have a moment in which somebody shoots to empty shots in the air and the dog must remain as it was before, no fear or anger.

I want to share the videos with you, maybe you have some further comments.

In this video Barishka is teaching Mio some manners...she is used to much stronger males...sorry!!

08/09/09, 15:04	#5
Navarre VIP Member Datum registrace: Sep 2003 Location: Roma Příspěvků: 5998	There is a main difference form italian and czech-slovakian character test : in the italian test the dog is never leaved ALONE. I think this is a big difference that justify considering it a different test that should have different code as results. __________________ Susanna & Gianluca & Andrea & Navarre & Isabeau & Brandimarte & Anastasia & Lana Last Navarre & Beau Isabeau

08/09/09, 17:50	#7
Monika Junior Member Datum registrace: Mar 2004 Příspěvků: 346	Please, let Judge to say if dog is melancholic, choleric, sangvinic, flegmatic or something between this characteristic. Be alone I can lern shy dog without problem. Important is, if the test is able to say something about volume of excitement and inhibition simply, about the adaptability and robustness aginst shot. And this italian test do it! The bureaucracy not belong to breeding of dogs and wolfdog. org with admin WITHOUT NAME do it, simply. I am sorry for my English. Monika Soukupová Last edited by Monika : 08/09/09 at 17:54

10/09/09, 01:47	#8
massimo Senior Member Datum registrace: Sep 2003 Location: Prague 6 Příspěvků: 2090	Maybe some of you are interested to know what and how the bonitations in Italy really are. As it was already said, the morphology is more or less the same as in other countries. The difference is the Character test. Some of you know that the character test is made, in Slovakia for example, first by doing a human group and the dog must walk within it. Then the dog is tied to a pole an the figurant comes out once attacking him and then trying to have a normal contact with him in a calm way. By these features, the judge is supposed to know, also considering how the dog behaved during the measurement, what kind of character code it deserves. In italy we have the same group introduction, then the dog is tied up to a long leash and the onwer is holding the other side. The figurant comes out of the revier with a menacing approach and the dog must react to the person protecting his owner and never pulling back. We also have a moment in which somebody shoots to empty shots in the air and the dog must remain as it was before, no fear or anger. I want to share the videos with you, maybe you have some further comments. In this video Barishka is teaching Mio some manners...she is used to much stronger males...sorry!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/39038527 Bonitations: Group: http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/3903841 http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/39045516 http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/39044903 http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/3904460 Gunshot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/3904612042/ attack: http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/3904533370/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/3904574640/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/3904510540/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_luni/39036911 __________________ ---------- Oliver & Lunatica

08/09/09, 10:30	#1
Hanka Senior Member Datum registrace: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Příspěvků: 1622	Rolf, please where was video from czech bonitation? I had not see it......? Rona, I think, it is not funny to go 2x or more to bonitation with one dog. I don´t understand why somebody do it. Maybe he wait best result for publicing?

08/09/09, 12:47	#4
Hanka Senior Member Datum registrace: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Příspěvků: 1622	Ok, thanks