Artificial insemination only solution for the breed in spain?

[carlos2207]

I am agree, the situation in Spain is very dangerous for the breed. Because is Spain not have many wolfdogs, the breders repeat the same litter many time. And some breders that want to do litters with new blood, quality blood, have the problems of higt cost of fly and many club forbide the artificial insemination. Is this, the artificial insemination the only way for the countries that is to long of the center of Europe

[Hanka]

I don´t know how much females is in Spain. But: is it possible to make a list of females? And somebody can look what blood are the females and you and all breeders can lend some ideal male for all spain females. Maybe every year one male for all females? (If you want save money?) shipping of one male is not so expensive, if all breeders which will want use him can pay it together.......
Bad idea?

[jmvdwiel]

Maybe some male dogs wil be in spain for a holiday , or you can come to the male with the female and have a good holiday also

You can also use fresh sperm that is sent by a courier, althought you cannot keep the sperm in a good condition for a long period

In this case I would say.. go for it and use AI , better than inbreeding to much

[Tuky]

Originally Posted by jmvdwiel

Maybe some male dogs wil be in spain for a holiday , or you can come to the male with the female and have a good holiday also

You can also use fresh sperm that is sent by a courier, althought you cannot keep the sperm in a good condition for a long period

In this case I would say.. go for it and use AI , better than inbreeding to much

I talked about to that, IA with cooled semen… not congealed, diminishes a little the espermatica quality but even so she is very productive sallying of good I number. (here in Spain did one in that puppies left 6 being female beginner), if the veterinarians are communicated and the owners of the reproducers… at the moment that the female is in its point, would be to call to the owner of the male so that they did the extraction to him and on the following day already would be the inseminada female

[carlos2207]

Sorry Solowolf, I went to Lituania for Ituborys Girios Dvasia, and to Germany for Emba von der wolfranch and the past month I went to Czech Republic for to do one mate. Do you think that you can say me that the problem is that we don´t want to travel?

I see that you went to Holland and France for mate with your dogs. Next to UK.

I think that the problem is that the breeders should be serious and responsible. The breders should use the very good hd lines and, to use the most wolfish wolfdogs and with good character. This is my idea for breeding.

How many wolfdogs are with this characteristics? very very few. And too long from Spain. The fly to travel is necessary. This is very expensive because you need to buy the fly the last minute and this is very expensive. The AI is the unique option for the serious and responsible Bredeers of Spain.

If you want to breeding only for breeding, without the best wolfdogs, is very easy and not expensive. If you want that improve the breed the AI is necesary.

[GalomyOak]

Really interesting topic...

In the US, I have wondered the same thing...it's not a problem here yet, since (at least to my knowledge) the first litter has never been bred (although, I have seen some ads online recently trying to pass off mixes as Czechoslovakian Wolfdog mixes - different topic...).

Most people that import to the US choose to import females - either because they want to breed their own litter, or want a dog that they believe will have an easier temperament. So, the pool of males becomes small - dogs that would be good for breeding much smaller. And good breeding males from genetically diverse backgrounds...very, very low.

Obviously, driving to Europe is out of the question from here - carrying an adult female (or male, if it was an option) by airplane is possible - but stressful to the dog, and very, very expensive. Also, most airline companies ask for reservations for dogs well in advance - this can be difficult to time with a female's cycle.

I'd be very interested to see the evolution of the process and local CSV population if breeders in Spain (or elsewhere) begin using AI as a means of breeding.

Best wishes,
Marcy

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

Obviously, driving to Europe is out of the question from here - carrying an adult female (or male, if it was an option) by airplane is possible - but stressful to the dog, and very, very expensive. Also, most airline companies ask for reservations for dogs well in advance - this can be difficult to time with a female's cycle.

I'd be very interested to see the evolution of the process and local CSV population if breeders in Spain (or elsewhere) begin using AI as a means of breeding.

The same problem here, no wonder why
I was searching for the possibility to use frozen semem, but seems that it still didn't develope well and the problem is not only the small percentage to the female be pregnant, as the fact we will need to anesthesie the female for make the insemination.
Mainly its about to 30% of chances of the female be pregnant with frozen semmem, I read somethings about evolutions in this area, turning possible to upper this percentage for 60% ( much better) but still I have not enough information about it.
For bring cold sperm we will have about 48 hours for transport untill make the insemination, by our rules its simply impossible as the burocracy can make you lost days for took out the semmem of the airport, sometimes you will never be able to see it.
Anyway, 48 hours when we talk about travel over continents, you wil need to have much luck to have the female in the properlly day exactly when you back home, if not have any delay.

So, the way would be travel with the female, very stressfull thing that without doubts can make the female change her heath, if be everything all right, we will need to back with the female in the correct day and still you will have the possibility of the female absorbs the puppies for stress in the back trip, pretty common in Bernese Mountain Dogs for exemple.

So, the best way would be talk with a breeder, chose a male and try to bring it here for a time, let this male mate the females and back with him after.
But I wonder how many breeders would allow it

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by carlos2207

Sorry Solowolf, I went to Lituania for Ituborys Girios Dvasia, and to Germany for Emba von der wolfranch and the past month I went to Czech Republic for to do one mate. Do you think that you can say me that the problem is that we don´t want to travel?

I see that you went to Holland and France for mate with your dogs. Next to UK.

I think that the problem is that the breeders should be serious and responsible. The breders should use the very good hd lines and, to use the most wolfish wolfdogs and with good character. This is my idea for breeding.

How many wolfdogs are with this characteristics? very very few. And too long from Spain. The fly to travel is necessary. This is very expensive because you need to buy the fly the last minute and this is very expensive. The AI is the unique option for the serious and responsible Bredeers of Spain.

If you want to breeding only for breeding, without the best wolfdogs, is very easy and not expensive. If you want that improve the breed the AI is necesary.

ok so you are willing to travel as i have just been to Hungry to pick up dog by car as air travel i dont like for my dogs,only 16 hr drive, the dog Iused in Holland give me more wolfish looking dogs and produced great coats, this dog had all health tests as did my bitch, you want the best as do we all,you say that you want good HD lines, most wolfish looking ,good character, that would be nice,,,, you must then also agree with me on the changing of the czech as a breed as there are many variations of this breed now, one only has to look at the pictures on this site, the breed varies alot, from short coats to long coats, from the small thin to the large, also a lot more health problems over last 10 years,Ai is ok if you can get premission from the FCI,but it may be hard as the main gene pool is in Europe, I have used AI for thr Akita as gene pool in uk was low, straws from USA where sent and my vet done this it was good sucess with 8 puppies being produced,there are other types of wolfdogs now available in Europe, even in Spain there are now some, good luck with your search. i will be watching for your progress, regards pacino

[kaiku]

I think that the insemination is a good good option for the spanish breeders. It's good for open lines, because there are many people that cannot travel to make a mount.