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![]() 2. I am sure you are not condemed for not being under FCI-regulations, as it is not necessary to be under FCI regulations to follow the regulations of FCI, commen sense, good moral and ethics ![]() 3. no one at WD.org told me this, this is just my own thoughts ![]() I really don`t see what Lynx legend von rijnecker hof or her registration have to do with all of this ? ...unless you did crossbreed her ![]() ....maybe I am wrong ??? Greetings Rolf |
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Paul, sorry to say, you maybe have cwd which you don´t crossbreed. But you did last year a litter with your Timber wolf and cwd! So what do you want? You compare yourself with Hartle and Saarloos but why did you crossbreed an american wolf with an europaen breed cwd? This is what you be blamed for! I have no problem if you have Timber wolf, american wolfdog or whatever. But please northamerican wolves and wolfdogs are on part and have nothing to do with europaen part! These are totally different "breeds"! If you would have taken a carpartian wolf, I think people would maybe understand you. But so?
And what the hell do you think people think of you after pissing french/netherlands kennel of Cory Kayzer? So if you do crossbreeding, do it, but than you have nothing to expect here in the world of csw on wolfdog.org! Christian I love csw, and I love too american wolfdogs. But I never ever would crossbreed europaen wolfdogs with american wolves or wolfdogs although I have a canadian wolfdog! |
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Mikael, Crossbreed means crossing a wolf with a dog! Saarloos people say there is no Timber wolf in Saarloos. The first wolf was a europaen russian wolf which Saarloos took.
It seems that you don´t know much about europaen wolves, do you?! One of the biggest europaen wolf was a carpartian male with 90 cm in shoulder! And the colour? Brown colour, it is the same you find it too by carpartian wolves. So if I understand you right you would even mix a siberian tiger with an indian tiger, or an indian elephant with an african elephant? Nort american wolves are different. For example they have at least 5 different colours, like black, white, grey, red, brown. Do you find these colours in europaen wolf? No, of course not! Different types but most is grey, with yellow, brown, a bit red, but always look like grey! In grey amercan wolves there are always different colours. They are different from behaviour. Sure for a person like you a wolf is a wolf. Please dream on. Christian Crossing a csw with a wolf is not 50 % wolfblood but normally about 65 %. Sure it is mathematics and the case is the F 1 is the main problem. And Paul did sell one of his pups to germany. And it would be not nice if this guy will bring this F 1 in csw population. |
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For me problem is not European or American wolf, but about regulations !
If you are a recognized breeder(does`nt matter what breed), you are not allowed to use your pedigree dogs to crossbreeding/mixbreeding, as it will discredit the big work there have been done to create the breed and undermine the the work of the kennel clubs all over, to make sure the recognized breeders is working for the better of the specific breed. ...At least this is how it works in Denmark ![]() For me crossbreeding and mixbreeding is the same, only names are different ![]() Hybrids is really not a valid word to use, when speaking of mix/cross between wolves and domesticated dogs. From a biological point of weiw, a hybrid is the name of the ofspring from two different species, wolves and domesticated dogs are the same species(eurasian wolf = canis lupus lupus / domesticated dog = canis lupus familiaris) ![]() I like all dogs, wolfdogs more than other dogs and wolves most of all ![]() Greetings Rolf |
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![]() But as you did say your self "DREAM ON" ![]() Best regards / Mikael
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Christian was writing about european and american wolves are differet breeds ...not wolves and dogs ![]() Mikael animals from same family can be different breeds, don`t mix this up ![]() Wolves belong to the family "Canidae" which also includes : Canis Vulpes Dusicyon Lycaon ...and more. The genus type of wolves is "canis" which also includes : Lupus Rufus Latrans Aureus Simensis ...and more. The species of wolves is "canis lupus" which includes : Lupus(grey wolf) - ancestor of all wolves. Canis lupus aka grey wolf have some subspecies which includes : canis lupus lupus(eurasian wolf) canis lupus lycaon(east american timber wolf) canis lupus arctos(artic wolf) canis lupus pallipes(indian wolf) canis lupus signatus(iberian wolf) canis lupus occidentalis(canadian wolf) canis lupus dingo(dingo) canis lupus familiaris(domesticated dog) ...and more. Greetings Rolf |
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![]() A colour which is offcourse frowned apon by GSD-breeders but one that in rare occasions does show its face ![]() ![]() |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() OK also for here the big "??????" already asked the same "??????" on the Dutchforum ![]() Is it possible this one F1 wolfdog that is in Germany can ever come in the CSW breed and have offspring with a pedigree that says it is a CSW ![]() ![]() ![]() If yes, is this legal ![]() ![]() ![]() If yes, is this also possible in other European country's ![]() ![]() ![]() If yes, is this also possible for other breeds ![]() ![]() ![]() Groette Martine.
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If you register the F1 as a CSW his offspring will get normal pedigrees after 4 generations. And if you look up the discussion about Sangria Passo de Lupo you will find out this is not so far away. Ina |
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Sorry, but I really do not see my question as a smart remark ? For me this smiley ![]() ![]() I really don`t see my self as all others, I am an induvidual and I write, think and react as an induvidual, no matter how others write, think or react. It was not my intention to piss you off, but to inform you of what I think could be the reason, why your dogs are not displayed here, as you say your self ....it is just a f..ing smiley ![]() Greetings Rolf Last edited by Juniorwolf; 08-03-2009 at 01:19. |
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