Tail

[furyos]

ok nebulosa if yu like this type it s yur opinion but for me it s not typical good expression.....sorry a lot of bad pics it s not a proove..........yu can show me all pictures of the world with bad tail y don' t change my idea...........but just proove one things it s very important to note this problem......... not best position.........y wait other opinion from other judges in slovakia.........y send some mail in this way to know more exactly ...........best regards........

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by furyos

ok nebulosa if yu like this type it s yur opinion but for me it s not typical good expression.....sorry a lot of bad pics it s not a proove..........yu can show me all pictures of the world with bad tail y don' t change my idea...........but just proove one things it s very important to note this problem......... not best position.........y wait other opinion from other judges in slovakia.........y send some mail in this way to know more exactly ...........best regards........

That's the question Furyos, none of the dogs I show the pictures have problems in the tail, but, at the moment of the photo they're excited.
Iowa Eden Severu was A63 Of P1 at bonitation if she had problems as curly tail will appear "Wrong position" at bonitation, wont? Jaberwock z Peronówki has one Very Promossing with Slovakian judge Oskar Dora as was the best puppy with Bozena Ovesna from Czech, he probably won't receive it if have an atipical tail.
You cannot judge the tail without know how do it, some people made the same error as you're doing now.
You may look at the basis of the tail, so you can judge the longer of the bones first, after for the isquian bone position and you will be able to judge the port of the tail for arrive the conclusion, the set, principally for dogs with long tail full of movement means nothing for judge the tail position.
I think i'm wasting my time with you, but i'm sure it will help some people that wans learn more about how judge tails properlly for arrive to his own conclusion.

[furyos]

yes y think yu loose yur time with me because yu couldn t proove yur theories just with this arguments...........a lot of pupp can have best pupp in dog show and with pb of tail .....it s not a prove ...... best regards and good "reflections" ............f.(and good night)

[wolfin]

SK, LT club junior winner, BALT junior chempion


club winner'07


club winner, Lithuanian winner, multi CAC, BOB


World winner'06, Multi CH, Multi winner, Multi CAC, CACIB, BOB


World winner'06, Multi CH, Multi winner, Multi CAC, CACIB, BOB & SK, LT club junior winner, BALT junior chempion



SK, LT club junior winner, BALT junior chempion & club winner, Lithuanian winner multi CAC, BOB


this dogs i have see in latest CACIB dog show in Lithuania, this dogs is from Czech, Poland and Lithuanian. Hes have great charakter, and ALL judge say - "exelent temperament, moveming and character".

when i see dogs with tail in down position- (bell position) this dogs not like, me when more % hes have not good charakter.


p.s. to furyos - i am FCI judge and wolfdog expert, not allraunder judge

[Angelika]

Thank you, Paula and Wolfin, but furyos does not want to understand - because of his battle against Furcas z Peronowski

If you have a look at the owned dogs it seems 4 or 5 French breeders are extremely under "Hungarian influence" at the moment, and some of them prefer dog shows in France, Switzerland and Holland more than in the countries of origin.

cheers
Angelika

[furyos]

hi wolfin.......YHANKS FOR YUR PICS ;;;NO PROBLEM FOR THEM ;;;Y UNDERSTAND AND AGREE ABOUT THIS POSITION ;;;; BUT NOT WHEN IT S CURL IN THE END ......... SOME YU SEND ARE 100% OK ;;.. DON 'T WORRY ....Y KNOW YU ARE JUDGE5WE EVER TALK LAST YEAR° BUT THE DOG WHO Y SEND PICS5FURCAS ° DON T HAVE EXACTLY THIS POSITION ;;;IT S CURL ;;;; DO YU UNDERSTAND WHAT Y WANT EXPLAIN? Y RESPECT COUNTRY FROM ORIGIN OF OUR BREED ........ AND IT S FOR THAT Y TALK ABOUT BECAREFULL WHEN WE HAVE NORDIK TAIL ON RING ....THAT4S ALL ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;FOR ANGELIKA : YES FRANCH LIKE HUNGRIA WOLFDOG /POLSKI/ ITALIAN/SLOVAK/ TCHEK/BELGIUM/ RTC ETC ;;;; WHY YU TRY TO DISCREDITE HUNGRIA DOGS? JALOUS????????????????Y DON T UNDERSTAND YUR REACTION IF AS SOON AS WE TALK ABOUT A DEFAULT YU DICREDITE ONE KENNEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPECT IS NOT YUR NATURE?FOR ME Y FIND GOOD THINGS IN DIFFERENT BLOOD LINE IN ALL COUNTRIES ........... DON T TRY ANY POLITIK MANIPULATION TO HAVE RESPECT FROM ORIGIN COUNTRY ;;;;;;;;;;; Y CAN UNDERSTAND YUR VOLONTY TO DO THAT IF YU NEED SOMETHING ABOUT THEM ;;;;; POWER PERHAPS OR WHAT????? BEST REGARDS ANGELIKA ..........

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by furyos

hi wolfin.......YHANKS FOR YUR PICS ;;;NO PROBLEM FOR THEM ;;;Y UNDERSTAND AND AGREE ABOUT THIS POSITION ;;;; BUT NOT WHEN IT S CURL IN THE END ......... SOME YU SEND ARE 100% OK ;;.. DON 'T WORRY ....Y KNOW YU ARE JUDGE5WE EVER TALK LAST YEAR° BUT THE DOG WHO Y SEND PICS5FURCAS ° DON T HAVE EXACTLY THIS POSITION ;;;IT S CURL ;;;; DO YU UNDERSTAND WHAT Y WANT EXPLAIN? Y RESPECT COUNTRY FROM ORIGIN OF OUR BREED ........ AND IT S FOR THAT Y TALK ABOUT BECAREFULL WHEN WE HAVE NORDIK TAIL ON RING ....THAT4S ALL ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;FOR ANGELIKA : YES FRANCH LIKE HUNGRIA WOLFDOG /POLSKI/ ITALIAN/SLOVAK/ TCHEK/BELGIUM/ RTC ETC ;;;; WHY YU TRY TO DISCREDITE HUNGRIA DOGS? JALOUS????????????????Y DON T UNDERSTAND YUR REACTION IF AS SOON AS WE TALK ABOUT A DEFAULT YU DICREDITE ONE KENNEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPECT IS NOT YUR NATURE?FOR ME Y FIND GOOD THINGS IN DIFFERENT BLOOD LINE IN ALL COUNTRIES ........... DON T TRY ANY POLITIK MANIPULATION TO HAVE RESPECT FROM ORIGIN COUNTRY ;;;;;;;;;;; Y CAN UNDERSTAND YUR VOLONTY TO DO THAT IF YU NEED SOMETHING ABOUT THEM ;;;;; POWER PERHAPS OR WHAT????? BEST REGARDS ANGELIKA ..........

I thoug you will note this detail



because there the tail is exactly like Furca's Tail on some photos.
Nordic tail on the ring, where? all CzW tails on the fotos have long caudal basis bones as they have a relactive long isquian, so, cannot be curlied.
You need quickly studie dogs dinamic and morfology for be able to judge properlly even the work you're done.
Why are you screaming?! Cap's look on internet lenguage means screaming isn't polite way to write and can sound's agressive for who read.
Nobody try do a "politic manipulation" we are not talking about politic as nobody told that lack respect with the origin countries, what she write is truth, you have a very personal war against Furcas as someone can read on french forum, you no need hide it, it's public already.