what can be done about 'misinterpretation in the uk

tupacs2legs · 09-10-2011, 23:46

as you guys know,there are not many pure csv's and swh in the uk but still there are some.....the breed (csv)is not established in its own right and many people have not met a pure...but quite a few have met crosses(mixes)and own them....its become more and more apparent that some of these 'owners' call their dogs pure or vlcaks!

...when pushed and asked they explain what breed/types are in their dogs..so they do know that they do not own pure

i also know of a few dogs that were bought as pure and sold on as pure(not directly from the breeder) yet one look at the dog shows they are not(and also where they were originally bred)so these people do not even know what a wd should even look like let alone act like!

i feel its very damaging to the breed as these are not representatives of the BREED yet are being 'passed off' as such...but what can be done?...i fear not alot

Murph · 10-10-2011, 00:20

err how man people have you come across that pass off their cross as a pure csv?

tupacs2legs · 10-10-2011, 00:30

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Originally Posted by Murph

err how man people have you come across that pass off their cross as a pure csv?

what do u mean 'err'? why would i lie

....alot!! and its not only me that has noticed this

Murph · 10-10-2011, 01:08

why would you think that I was implying you were lying??
err = even crosses are few and far between, so how many is alot?

tupacs2legs · 10-10-2011, 01:19

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Originally Posted by Murph

why would you think that I was implying you were lying??
err = even crosses are few and far between, so how many is alot?

no they are not

yukidomari · 10-10-2011, 04:14

i don't think anything can be done, except to post the information publicly as much as you can about specific known crosses and kennels.. :/

it's not just a problem in the UK.. there are even owners who take their mixes to FCI dog shows and nobody can stop them cause they've got the correct papers never mind that they don't look nor behave like CsV....

pixie · 10-10-2011, 10:17

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

as you guys know,there are not many pure csv's and swh in the uk but still there are some.....the breed (csv)is not established in its own right and many people have not met a pure...but quite a few have met crosses(mixes)and own them....its become more and more apparent that some of these 'owners' call their dogs pure or vlcaks!

...when pushed and asked they explain what breed/types are in their dogs..so they do know that they do not own pure

i also know of a few dogs that were bought as pure and sold on as pure(not directly from the breeder) yet one look at the dog shows they are not(and also where they were originally bred)so these people do not even know what a wd should even look like let alone act like!

i feel its very damaging to the breed as these are not representatives of the BREED yet are being 'passed off' as such...but what can be done?...i fear not alot

My Girl was bought as pure and can be traced through WD but because of the CW thing we can never really be sure, I believe she is pure and think that Lee ( breeder) sold her in good faith, but in all honesty it is when we get back to the european breeder (CW) that there are doubts

tupacs2legs · 10-10-2011, 11:24

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Originally Posted by pixie

My Girl was bought as pure and can be traced through WD but because of the CW thing we can never really be sure, I believe she is pure and think that Lee ( breeder) sold her in good faith, but in all honesty it is when we get back to the european breeder (CW) that there are doubts

u missed the point really chris,im not saying that...its people buying crosses of these dogs KNOWING they are crosses but telling people that do not know any better they are pure.

pixie · 10-10-2011, 11:28

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

u missed the point really chris,im not saying that...its people buying crosses of these dogs KNOWING they are crosses but telling people that do not know any better they are pure.

Sorry i understand now, I was just saying it can go back further than owners, breeder to breeders of the grandparents etc

GalomyOak · 10-10-2011, 13:04

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Originally Posted by pixie

Sorry i understand now, I was just saying it can go back further than owners, breeder to breeders of the grandparents etc

Was it ever determined if Brix Bix was pure or not? I know originally with Paul's litters there was some question: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9711

tupacs2legs · 10-10-2011, 13:50

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Originally Posted by GalomyOak

Was it ever determined if Brix Bix was pure or not? I know originally with Paul's litters there was some question: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9711

is that meant as a dig?

i was referring to the crossbreeds that are n.i or gsd mixes that the breeders confirm as such

kalcon · 17-10-2011, 20:51

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Originally Posted by pixie

My Girl was bought as pure and can be traced through WD but because of the CW thing we can never really be sure, I believe she is pure and think that Lee ( breeder) sold her in good faith, but in all honesty it is when we get back to the european breeder (CW) that there are doubts

if you purchased a czech wolfdog of lee church then it is a pure bred wolfdog 100% but you may have health issues to deal with in the future, what ever you need to hip test,eye test and dm test,,,,,,,,,

yukidomari · 17-10-2011, 22:53

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Originally Posted by kalcon

if you purchased a czech wolfdog of lee church then it is a pure bred wolfdog 100% but you may have health issues to deal with in the future, what ever you need to hip test,eye test and dm test,,,,,,,,,

Wow, so you have solved the mystery of CW's red dogs, then?

kalcon · 18-10-2011, 13:42

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Originally Posted by yukidomari

Wow, so you have solved the mystery of CW's red dogs, then?

i know where they came from if thats what you mean, but as u are clever like the other dafts on this site then work it out for yourself, heres a clu, its to do with colouration genetics, bit like the white lady in USA that had twins one black one white same father, have look at old GSD lines as well,,,,, then go to the saarloos and work out how they became red as well,,,,,,, dooh...........i dont believe you people can not work this out,,,,,,very dissapointed that the normal know it all boofs have not worked it out yet,,,,,,,,

yukidomari · 18-10-2011, 16:06

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Originally Posted by kalcon

i know where they came from if thats what you mean, but as u are clever like the other dafts on this site then work it out for yourself, heres a clu, its to do with colouration genetics, bit like the white lady in USA that had twins one black one white same father, have look at old GSD lines as well,,,,, then go to the saarloos and work out how they became red as well,,,,,,, dooh...........i dont believe you people can not work this out,,,,,,very dissapointed that the normal know it all boofs have not worked it out yet,,,,,,,,

Unfortunately, color genetics have already been thoroughly discussed on an older thread but I can link you if you need. As Saarloos do not share the same breed heritage as csv, it makes sense why saarloos may be red but not csv.

I would like to learn more about the breed, so I try to live with, train, read about, mentor under, and experience the breed as much as I can. And refrain from simply becoming a producer with an over inflated sense of knowledge just because I've managed to put two dogs of opposite sexes together a few times. Thank you for your concern!

kalcon · 18-10-2011, 13:46

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Originally Posted by yukidomari

Wow, so you have solved the mystery of CW's red dogs, then?

learn about this breed, then learn about genetics, lets see if you can tell us all how the white saarloos came about and dont go down the lines x bred because it wasnt..........

tupacs2legs · 17-10-2011, 23:34

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Originally Posted by kalcon

if you purchased a czech wolfdog of lee church then it is a pure bred wolfdog 100% but you may have health issues to deal with in the future, what ever you need to hip test,eye test and dm test,,,,,,,,,

yes.... the hips perchance?

GalomyOak · 18-10-2011, 11:59

,,,,,,,,stop,,,,,with,,,,,,,the,,,,,,commas,,,,,,a lready,,,,,,! But,,,,,a,,,,,,period,,,,,,,or,,,,,,,two,,,,,,woul d,,,,,,be,,,,,,,nice...

pixie · 26-10-2011, 14:43

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Originally Posted by kalcon

if you purchased a czech wolfdog of lee church then it is a pure bred wolfdog 100% but you may have health issues to deal with in the future, what ever you need to hip test,eye test and dm test,,,,,,,,,

I will test her for peace of mind, and i 100% believe she is pure, but thanks anyway

Tazer · 10-10-2011, 21:56

There will always be those who claim to have something they don't, sadly there is no way to stop this.

What may help is, educating the public about the breed and the crosses and what they should be looking for.

Taz

09-10-2011, 23:46	#1
tupacs2legs rookie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: london Posts: 320	what can be done about 'misinterpretation in the uk as you guys know,there are not many pure csv's and swh in the uk but still there are some.....the breed (csv)is not established in its own right and many people have not met a pure...but quite a few have met crosses(mixes)and own them....its become more and more apparent that some of these 'owners' call their dogs pure or vlcaks! ...when pushed and asked they explain what breed/types are in their dogs..so they do know that they do not own pure i also know of a few dogs that were bought as pure and sold on as pure(not directly from the breeder) yet one look at the dog shows they are not(and also where they were originally bred)so these people do not even know what a wd should even look like let alone act like! i feel its very damaging to the breed as these are not representatives of the BREED yet are being 'passed off' as such...but what can be done?...i fear not alot Last edited by tupacs2legs; 09-10-2011 at 23:50.

18-10-2011, 11:59	#18
GalomyOak Howling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 436	,,,,,,,,stop,,,,,with,,,,,,,the,,,,,,commas,,,,,,a lready,,,,,,! But,,,,,a,,,,,,period,,,,,,,or,,,,,,,two,,,,,,woul d,,,,,,be,,,,,,,nice... __________________ "What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."~Henry David Thoreau http://www.galomyoak.com

10-10-2011, 21:56	#20
Tazer Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 77	There will always be those who claim to have something they don't, sadly there is no way to stop this. What may help is, educating the public about the breed and the crosses and what they should be looking for. Taz __________________ Never argue with idiots. they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

10-10-2011, 00:20	#2
Murph Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Devon Posts: 54	err how man people have you come across that pass off their cross as a pure csv?

10-10-2011, 01:08	#4
Murph Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Devon Posts: 54	why would you think that I was implying you were lying?? err = even crosses are few and far between, so how many is alot?

10-10-2011, 04:14	#6
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	i don't think anything can be done, except to post the information publicly as much as you can about specific known crosses and kennels.. :/ it's not just a problem in the UK.. there are even owners who take their mixes to FCI dog shows and nobody can stop them cause they've got the correct papers never mind that they don't look nor behave like CsV....