Strange 'German' litter of Jantarowa Wataha

[Kerstin]

Originally Posted by anita_11

But she not wrote about other problems.

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Hi Anita,
let me get it right, you are saying that Upstream's hip score was D (3/3) in Czech Republic.
Her B-hips were evaluated in Poland? Who did that?
I know about the problem with Tlapka z Molu es and his mating with Avari Jantarowa Wataha.
Both owned by a German "breeder", puppies obviously born and raised in Germany, according to their website. But Polish pedigree...
The bitch's score is A. Made in Poland, I guess. Correct me if I'm wrong.
" Honi soit qui mal y pense "

Dear Michael and dear Anita,
I simply wonder what problems you are talking about?
Maybe you know more than I do?

There was a mating with 2 dogs. Both with good hips. One with A (Avari Jantarowa Wataha) and one with B2 (Tlapka z Molu Es)
Both of their parents have good hips and even the granparents too. This can easily be seen on the database. So what exactly is your problem apart from malicous gossip?

Yes Michael, Avari has been officially x-rayed in Poland. Is there anything wrong with this?

Are you trying to tell me, that any x-ray which was done in Poland is wrong? Or that breeding bitches in the Czech Republic have wrong x-ray results? Thanks to Margo for further explaination. Or that official German x-rays from Tlapka z Molu Es are wrong?

By the way: Both dogs took part in the 40 kms without any problems, and are taking part on various exercises and competitions where they have to jump and to run and need to use their complete body and energy- which they do great.

Sorry, but what you guys are trying to do is too poor and too obvious.

Kerstin & Gunter with
Calu
Tlapka z Molu Es
Avari Jantarowa Wataha
Vitnir Jantarowa Wataha
Valka Jantarowa Wataha

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Kerstin

There was a mating with 2 dogs. Both with good hips. One with A (Avari Jantarowa Wataha) and one with B2 (Tlapka z Molu Es)
Both of their parents have good hips and even the granparents too. This can easily be seen on the database. So what exactly is your problem apart from malicous gossip?

Yes Michael, Avari has been officially x-rayed in Poland. Is there anything wrong with this?

Are you trying to tell me, that any x-ray which was done in Poland is wrong? Or that breeding bitches in the Czech Republic have wrong x-ray results? Thanks to Margo for further explaination. Or that official German x-rays from Tlapka z Molu Es are wrong?

B
Kerstin & Gunter with
Calu
Tlapka z Molu Es
Avari Jantarowa Wataha
Vitnir Jantarowa Wataha
Valka Jantarowa Wataha

As you can easily see in your own quotation was Michael wondering why a dog that is owned by a German kennel, lives in Germany and according to your own website got her puppies in Germany, got Polish papers. http://www.tschechoslowakische-wolfshunde.com/

This would not be possible in Germany, as you surely know, because though you can borrow a dog from another breeder the dog has to give birth in the kennel the litter gets the papers from and the puppies have to stay there till the second control of the breeding inspector with 8 weeks.
What means that a German kennel can borrow a Polish bitch for making a litter there, or sell it with the regulation that the bitch will have a litter on it´s name in it´s kennel but the dog and the puppies have to stay in the German kennel for at least 8 weeks. If with or without it´s real owners doesn´t matter.
In case the breeding inspector or the VDH realizes this wasn´t the case the puppies won´t get normal VDH/FCI-pedigrees!

Oviously this is different in Poland, what I myself don´t think is very sensible in general, because the way the stud dogs and puppies are kept isn´t known to the club then, what gives way to puppy-mills that let produce puppies in different places to sell them with official pedigrees.

Why a German dog belonging to a German breeder doesn´t make it´s official HD-evalutation there would be interesting according to the forward discussion (it can´t be the x-ray price, because you can let the x-ray be done in every other country as long as the German specialist does the evatluation) but isn´t forbidden in VDH-regulations.

Ina

[hanninadina]

Why you Eichhorns can not stop cheating other csw owners? For years you are doing it now. You did produce so many ill and shy offsring that you are the last persons to talk dirty about other people!

Christian

[Ori]

Hi Michael,
We know each other from a few years. I hope long enought that you could ask me personally about the litter you want to get some informations about - the litter that I've decided to give papers to (from my baby AVARI).
It is not a secret. I'm explaining it to anybody that asks.
I've never got any letter from you asking about such informations.

And I will not explain ANY of my things HERE, on forum that is only manipulation. If anybody wants to make public roumor about Jantarowa - feel free, but without me.

Same - about all the lies that was said about Osieczna bonitation.
Osieczna bonitation has an acceptation of CMKU, and papers are in Czech Club. Who wanted to clear it?

[Moderated]

[Kerstin]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Why a German dog belonging to a German breeder doesn´t make it´s official HD-evalutation

Because an offical HD-evaluation was done. Why should I doubt the result? Because it is polish? You must be kidding.
I wonder why you could not even answer my question. Why are you spreading lies about Avaris and Vidux hips? They both have offical results. They have A (Avari) and B (Vidux).

Originally Posted by Ori

It is not a secret. I'm explaining it to anybody that asks.
I've never got any letter from you asking about such informations.

Nobody asked me. Obviously they prefer telling lies like they do ever since I know them. And they are very unhappy because they dont know why. Otherwise they would not act like this.

I can say I am glad with my dogs and my choices and decisions and I can look in a mirror every mornig and be fine with myself. I dont have to talk bad about people to feel better and make it throught the day.

Anyway, thanks for the great summer and a wonderful vacation in Osieczna. I appriciate all your work and the great time.
See you soon.

Greetings from Vitnir, Avari & Vidux and the rest of us!