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Upbringing & character How to care for a puppy, how to socialize it, the most common problems with CzW, how to solve them.... |
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08-08-2002, 12:25 | #21 | |
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momentaly is no one Saarloos registrated in CZ. Pavel |
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then is logically with her mother. The mostly problem is, that adult female guarding own teritory and barking to every stranger people or animals. Basicaly instinct by puppies is, when mother starting barking, then running out (barking of mother is for puppies a warning). And if is it too long (over 8th weeks) it can still in dogs behaviour this instinct very strong. Second thing is, that puppy see the people - mother barking - its a warning - and running out. Then have in his brain coupled a people like a dander creature for him. This is, whats basicly problem of socialisation. Second one, and its wnat about you speaking, is socialisation to other dogs. Of course, that puppy must have a contact not only with other dogs, but with other animals as well, if is it possible, with strange people, strange situations, strange places etc. But this all experiences must just recognised alone or with owner - not with adult dogs or in the worst case with his mother. My dogs come to me in 5 and second in 4 1/2 weeks and they have had never problems with shyness. My puppies goes always to new owner in 5th week and no one is shy. Its my experience. So that this is the reason to take a puppy soon as possible. We see the problems with CsW in countries, where new owner get the puppy soonest in 9th week. In such countries is percentage of shy dogs much higher. Pavel |
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08-08-2002, 12:27 | #23 |
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You know, from all these discussions about training or not training them, i am getting interested in buying one
and train it to pass tests, just for the fun of it. Mirka |
08-08-2002, 12:41 | #24 | |
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08-08-2002, 12:42 | #25 |
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what is association pup?
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08-08-2002, 17:09 | #26 | |
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But she would be able to pass the bonitation with P3 (because of her character)... Greetings, Margo
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08-08-2002, 17:54 | #27 | |
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the same problem if the owner buys the most dominant puppy). The new owner must train with such dog much more than with "normal" puppy. But the results can be pretty good. Now we have on the summer camp a CzW bitch. She is not shy. She is very, very shy. But she passed today her 3rd test. It is special case but all shy dogs, if they are trained to be not so affraid of strangers, can be great for obedience, agility, flyball and other sports where there is no contact with other dogs or people (you can teach such dogs to bite but it has no sence and shy dogs will never be good for protection work). Greetings, Margo
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08-08-2002, 19:45 | #28 | |
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our kennel club and sometimes we have "normal" litters. Every puppy has a little bit different character but all have no problems with contact with strangers. But sometimes we have litters with one or two "autistic" pups (last time it was bichon friese). Such puppy is not walking away or biting of course what is normal for older dogs. But there is very hard to contact with it, imposible to play with it, and it is always less courageous - it is always looking for a safe place where it can "hide" (kennel, crate, ....) And if the new owner has no idea how to train such dog and how to work with it, after it grows up, it will be shy... There are some great tests for puppies - if the result for one puppy will be "better keep your hands off this dog" it will be later exactly a shy dog..... Greetings, Margo
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10-08-2002, 11:26 | #29 | |
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[...] the result of developmental retardation at various stages of human ancestral and foetal development, as well as at various juvenile stages of primate development. In other words, the foetal and/or juvenile traits of our ancestors or own species are retained into later stages of individual development. This is an interesting subject and I should very much appreciate your comments on this theme as well as on how wolves and wolfdogs might be trained by subliminal dominance . --- Per Olav |
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13-08-2002, 10:56 | #30 |
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Hello everyone,
I am new to this list, and ought to give a presentation of myself. Since I tend to go on a bit (to other people's and my own desperation..), I have put that in parenthesis' below so at the minimum that part can be skipped! I am extremely curious about Parker Adam's "sublime dominance" concept and would like to join in the number of people asking "what is that?" and "How can one use it actively in the training of low neotony dogs?" (I think I mean low neotony, not high..). Parker Adams' description of how efficient eg. the recall is with this method, makes it even more enticing (who wouldn't want a close to 100 % proof recall?). The "sublime"-part, does that refer to some kind of implicit dominance/leadership? And if so, in which manner? For instance, I regard the process of clicker training as one method for indirectly establishing leadership, another "leadership establishing" maneuver is taking responsibility for certain situations, eg. not allowing the dog to check out visitors before you have greeted them and then only when you say it is OK etc., but that is surely not what is meant here? (I am Norwegian, don't have a CSV and will probably never have one either, as I suspect that a CSV would simply be too much for me. At the moment I have a 5,5 year old mix of 75% GSD/25% tervueren and a 3,5 year old basenji, both are bitches. Previously I have had flat coated and labrador retrievers and done obedience and rescue dog training. Due to the basenji, I am extremely interested in the CSV. When we got our basenji, little did we know that this breed isn't really domesticated, nor what that actually implied. Little Amy has given us shock after shock, and we have several times been downright lucky. (You should see what they do to horses, moose, snow scooters etc.) The basenji is a very old breed (at least 4000 years old). They have never been actively bred by humans, all breeding has been through natural selection. Since they came to the west, in the 1940s, they have only been bred for showing and not temperament. Therefore a number of basic instincts have been retained. There seems to be a number of similiarities between the CSV and the basenji - destructivity, hunting, escape experts (basenjis are eminent diggers, jumpers and "creative" climbers), not outgoing, extremely selfwilled and independent. In addition to the appearance (one looks like a wolf and the other looks like something sweet from a Disney movie), there is one gigantic difference though. The basenji is an extremely nervous dog that tends to respond agressively when it is frightened. This, happily, does not seem to be the case with the CSV as far as I can see. Believe me, you do not want fear based "I'll get you before you get me" as a major trait in your CSVs! Training a basenji is highly challenging, as is living with it. I have never found a basenji mailing list that adresses behavioural or training aspects to any extent. It is a small dog with an appealing appearance, which I suppose influences what kind of people gets them. Generally they don't seem interested in such things. I have spent some happy hours catching up on this mailing list, and see how many interesting themes you discuss (leaving me with about 100 000 questions, but they will have to wait). It is thanks to Per Olav that I have found this list. In case you don't already know - Per Olav is an extremely nice person! He is also very responsible. A question about CSV came up in a norwegian discussion group, there were many oohs and aahs, what a beautiful dog, my next dog shall be a CSV, I know a lot about dogs, how difficult can it be and so forth. Per Olav took the trouble to answer questions, to direct to relevant web cites and to warn against any form of romantism concerning the CSV (no GSD this!). Since then I have stalked and pestered poor Per Olav, so in the not too distant future I hope to see "the puppy", Cziky, in real life. I really wonder what Per Olav will call Cziky when Cziky gets older - "the pooch", "the little doggie"?) Regards Tonje |
26-08-2002, 21:39 | #31 |
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Hello Mirko,
Just coming home from our holiday from Czech Republique and Slowakia, I followed the discussion about shy dogs. We also met the shy dog from the French people and we helped with some translation to them. Nothing happened with this dog and she was even willing to do everything with her. Also the character test was OK. The only thibng was talking to her, that she was a nice dog and that she was doing fine. Sometimes this works also. Letty |
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