Opinion on AKC/FSS registry

cpw · 12-04-2006, 01:30

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Originally Posted by Mirkawolf1

Paul,
We all know CSW is no wolf-hybrid. We all know it is normal FCI recognised breed, with official pedigree and so on. However, institutions as DEFRA or the American kennel Club just refuse to accept this.

The AKC recognises CSW as a breed. They have a listing in their Foundation Stock Service.http://www.akc.org/breeds/fss_breeds.cfm

Nebulosa · 12-04-2006, 02:35

That I understand about these FSS AKC breeds, is that they are not reconigsed but can be aproved ( official) in the "working shows".
These breeds not receive the AKC "normal" register.
My opinion, is better AKC never regonigses the CzW, the AKC are "mesters" for changing the standard and make one " show breed" only. ( you can see this problem in the breed Rottweiler and Dobermann).

Greetings

Paula

Mirkawolf · 14-04-2006, 14:54

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Originally Posted by cpw

The AKC recognises CSW as a breed. They have a listing in their Foundation Stock Service.http://www.akc.org/breeds/fss_breeds.cfm

That´s crazy. If AKC really recognises CSW as a breed, why has the poor guy in USA so many problems with his CSW? Including having troubles with the vet not willing to vaccinate his CSW, thinking that it is wolf-hybrid?

(See the thread - What should I tell the vet.) I checked the link, I see they have CSW on the list of dog breeds. So why the troubles? Is it possible, that different US states would have so different rules, that they would not follow even the American Kennel Club?

GalomyOak · 20-10-2007, 04:22

This question is especially for American owners, but I'm also curious about the opinions owners/breeders in other countries. What are the feelings about registering CSWs in the FSS registry for the AKC? Has anyone registered their CSW with this service? Our GSD is registered through AKC, but the problem with AKC is that there is very little protection for the integrity and health, which are only as good as the breeders honesty. I've actually read some hostility towards AKC (from Coton De TuLear breeders, especially!) from rare breed fanciers in the US. For this breed, though, I feel as though AKC recognition offers the best "protection" with regards to legislation - not that FSS is considered recognition, but still... Also, as I read in an earlier post, FCI only recognizes AKC, so that could be an issue if someone were to consider breeding. Which I assume, most owners in US at this point are not.

I realize there are very few CSWs in the US, but has anyone ever considered starting a breed club (possibly regional, such as East Coast/West Coast?). If a club were to be started sometime in the not too distant future, would anyone be interested in participating?

Just some food for thought...
Marcy

solowolf · 21-10-2007, 22:08

Hi Marcy, I have just read up on the FSS on internet, seems you have a lot of work to do with the Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs in USA, it will take a long time to gain AKC recognition but you have to start somewhere, so go for it, for those of you on wolfdog.org interested in this discussion please look at http://www.akc.org/reg/fss_details.cfm this will help explain the breeds situation in USA, I know it will be hard and will get frustrating for you but here in u.k we have been fighting for 6 years just to get the breed of the Dangerous wild animal listing, so you are one step ahead of us already as this problem will not apply to you, any dogs you import to the USA will have there pedigrees and all can be checked and verified on this web site, you must concentrate on getting a gene pool so you can start breeding programe quickly, you can add to this as you increase in numbers, this is a wonderful breed of dog and it would be nice to see the people of USA enjoying it as well, good luck keep us posted on your progress we can be reached by email [email protected] best regards paul and mandy u.k

Hanka · 21-10-2007, 22:25

Hello Marcy,
my puppy Polo od Uhoste lives in USA- Seatle. His owner Tyson wrote to forum some articles about it. I think, it was last year. Try find it in history of forum. Hanka

wolfangel · 23-10-2007, 20:13

All US owners should register their CSV in the AKC-FSS book.
This is the very first step to obtain full recognition.
It needs 300 registered dogs.... + other things like I mentioned in forum's other answers

I'll keep the forum updated for the Canadian part... and as soon as CFC will officially register CSV, all US owners will be able to show their dogs in CFC dog shows! Only three yearly actually but more CSV we'll be there, more it will help the breed recognition. CFC have plenty of US exibitors coming with other rare breeds.

20-10-2007, 04:22	#4
GalomyOak Howling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 436	Opinion on AKC/FSS registry This question is especially for American owners, but I'm also curious about the opinions owners/breeders in other countries. What are the feelings about registering CSWs in the FSS registry for the AKC? Has anyone registered their CSW with this service? Our GSD is registered through AKC, but the problem with AKC is that there is very little protection for the integrity and health, which are only as good as the breeders honesty. I've actually read some hostility towards AKC (from Coton De TuLear breeders, especially!) from rare breed fanciers in the US. For this breed, though, I feel as though AKC recognition offers the best "protection" with regards to legislation - not that FSS is considered recognition, but still... Also, as I read in an earlier post, FCI only recognizes AKC, so that could be an issue if someone were to consider breeding. Which I assume, most owners in US at this point are not. I realize there are very few CSWs in the US, but has anyone ever considered starting a breed club (possibly regional, such as East Coast/West Coast?). If a club were to be started sometime in the not too distant future, would anyone be interested in participating? Just some food for thought... Marcy

21-10-2007, 22:08	#5
solowolf Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 316	Fss Hi Marcy, I have just read up on the FSS on internet, seems you have a lot of work to do with the Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs in USA, it will take a long time to gain AKC recognition but you have to start somewhere, so go for it, for those of you on wolfdog.org interested in this discussion please look at http://www.akc.org/reg/fss_details.cfm this will help explain the breeds situation in USA, I know it will be hard and will get frustrating for you but here in u.k we have been fighting for 6 years just to get the breed of the Dangerous wild animal listing, so you are one step ahead of us already as this problem will not apply to you, any dogs you import to the USA will have there pedigrees and all can be checked and verified on this web site, you must concentrate on getting a gene pool so you can start breeding programe quickly, you can add to this as you increase in numbers, this is a wonderful breed of dog and it would be nice to see the people of USA enjoying it as well, good luck keep us posted on your progress we can be reached by email [email protected] best regards paul and mandy u.k

23-10-2007, 20:13	#7
wolfangel Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 9	All US owners should register their CSV in the AKC-FSS book. This is the very first step to obtain full recognition. It needs 300 registered dogs.... + other things like I mentioned in forum's other answers I'll keep the forum updated for the Canadian part... and as soon as CFC will officially register CSV, all US owners will be able to show their dogs in CFC dog shows! Only three yearly actually but more CSV we'll be there, more it will help the breed recognition. CFC have plenty of US exibitors coming with other rare breeds. __________________ *Wolfangel...* Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

12-04-2006, 02:35	#2
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	That I understand about these FSS AKC breeds, is that they are not reconigsed but can be aproved ( official) in the "working shows". These breeds not receive the AKC "normal" register. My opinion, is better AKC never regonigses the CzW, the AKC are "mesters" for changing the standard and make one " show breed" only. ( you can see this problem in the breed Rottweiler and Dobermann). Greetings Paula

21-10-2007, 22:25	#6
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Hello Marcy, my puppy Polo od Uhoste lives in USA- Seatle. His owner Tyson wrote to forum some articles about it. I think, it was last year. Try find it in history of forum. Hanka