Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs-Australia

13-12-2012, 22:52

I've mentioned many times we were satisfied with the breeder. My family were registered purebred breeders for decades, vaccinated, registered and health checked and we did our best to ensure they went to the best possible homes. Also had best in show winners. We've also been involved in animal welfare, in conjunction with the local vet and newspaper, we had a program where we would re home lost and abandoned dogs. So don't try and make out that we're not experienced.

The breeder stopped talking to you, therefore it's not my place to discuss it with you. Perhaps if you were on better terms, you could try asking the breeder again? I doubt it would get anywhere given the unjust remarks you said about them since.

"Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:14 PM
I wouldnt trust this breeder at all. There is a fair amount of doubt with both dogs." - Now not once this year did anyone say the mother was in doubt, as you can see, I showed you posted it at sep,2012. The pedigree, showing the female is spirit of the wolf has been up for years now. So ok, you may not of directly lied. But you made that statement because of what people falsely said years ago before the pedigree was known. I wouldn't trust anyone who doesn't bother to check their facts before they attempt to defame someone.

You aren't in a position to judge the health and temperament of my dogs, you know nothing about them and never will. But given the way you talked about your "wolfdog" eating your TV, there seems to be something strange and dangerous going on there. I was expecting my dogs to be hard, but they're intelligent and learn extremely quickly. Not hard dogs to own at all...maybe that's just my dogs in particular. They're not as devoted to working for you as a GSD, they get bored and will do there own thing after a while, but teaching them is easy.

"Im not trying to rain on your parade so to speak" Ha, what are you even on about?

"You dont have any first hand knowledge of my dog or her breed. How can you when you have never met one or met my dog. " I don't claim to have first hand knowledge of your dog, like you do with mine. But I know that Czechoslovakian Shepherds are German Shepherds. As for her breed, I know a lot about German Shepherds, so yes I do know about the breed.

It's funny how you think this breeder was registered, when they hadn't even bothered to get the breed recognised here in Australia. Probably because its impossible to register a non existent breed.

Like I said ask anyone here what they think of your dog, and they'll most likely agree with me.

Ligerwolve2 · 14-12-2012, 01:51

Here are some more quotes. My last reply on DOL - Incase anyone is interested its been confirmed (as you can read for yourselves) that the sire and grandsire are non registered which given there has been crosses out of that kennel before is a bit suspicious.

I will leave you all to make up your own minds

And here is one from you - The sire was not registered, neither was one of his parents but after that, all are registered. If you'd looked you would of seen VDH numbers. Seriously how do you think a dog is a mix, when both parents are registered?

- When I say both parents, im not refering to my dogs.

So you can use the term parents in a general manner but you use it as some kind of evidence else where?

Ligerwolve2 · 14-12-2012, 01:56

Here is another from you - I would hope that in the case of the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog, that owners would be required to have some kind of permit. Many people buy them for their looks, and although they have done research, they don't realise how much of a challenge the dog is untill they buy one.

I recently got a Wildlife Permit, as I intend to own a dingo in the future, it's a free permit. Just I had to build a large enclosure and demonstrate that I know a lot about dingoes in order to recieve it.

I don't think they will put a permit when it comes to owning dogs like the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog in Australia, as they're a domestic dog unlike the dingo. But it really would help, as they're not like a normal dog.

But the first step is actually getting the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog recognised here....

Thats an interesting read dont you think. So your dogs are so easy but here you talk about how people should have to have a permit?

The last line made me laugh. Or should I say LOL.

Ligerwolve2 · 14-12-2012, 02:01

Here is another quote by you which says you dont understand breeding very well - These pups have a pedigree, which shows they are pure.

Its not like a breeder has it on their computer and edits it themself or anything...

Ligerwolve2 · 14-12-2012, 02:10

You also said earlier your dogs had been looked at already so were fine, yet an experienced person would know to wait to they are mature enough to test.

Amber eyes are rare in GSDs? Yeah again I think you have had little to do with them.

You think a dog teething in dangerous? Now that made me laugh. She was 5 months and had a chance to chew something up SCARY!!!

So its ok for you to say you did xyz but give no name, you wont say if YOUR dogs parents were health tested (which most people would be happy to say that so its very fishy you wont). However you want me to share every single detail of ONE of my dogs.

AND YOU are in no better boat to judge my dog. Since you know nothing about her - which you have said yourself.

Your now bringing up points about my dog Ive already covered - go back and read if your interested.

14-12-2012, 02:36

"I'm going to stop replying. I don't see the point of it"...obviously you're not confident enough to stand by your word.

Firstly you're showing your ignorance again. The grandsire is Aragon Spirit of the Wolf, and is most definitelely registered. Even now you clearly haven't seen the pedigree. Stop making statements without checking first.

From doing research into the breed, I had the impression czws would be a challenging breed to own, but now I own them, my first hand expirience tells me differently. Although I am an expirienced dog owner. Also I was saying they would need to be recognised here before you could consider anything such as permits. Please improve your comprehension skills before trying to pick me out on points like that.

You say your dog ate a TV! I'm not saying your dog is dangerous, I'm saying you're a dangerous owner. No responsible owner would allow their dog to eat electronic equipment. She could of choked on something, or worse been electrocuted.

I know what a Czechoslovakian Shepherd is. So I know you're a liar. You still haven't mentioned why the breeder didn't attempt to have them recognised here by the way..

My dogs regularly go to the vets. For their age they're very healthy.

You haven't answered one thing about your dog. You haven't even shown pictures.

Yes I do understand breeding. Maybe you don't understand English. The pedigree shows they're pure, you cannot argue with that. Now unless you have evidence that the pedigree is fraudulent, then they're pure. Where's your evidence, because right now...what you're doing looks a lot like defamation.

14-12-2012, 02:39

You need to apologise for the multiple false claims you've made.

Angelika · 14-12-2012, 02:02

bla bla bla bla bla

Very fine, but I´m really sorry, Ligerwolve2 and Wolves.

I think, everyone else here is really bored.

Cheers and bye
Angelika

Ligerwolve2 · 14-12-2012, 02:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelika

bla bla bla bla bla

Very fine, but I´m really sorry, Ligerwolve2 and Wolves.

I think, everyone else here is really bored.

Cheers and bye
Angelika

Yeah you are right Angelika - and so am I! I dont think there will ever be any clear answers coming. So Im going to go sit on my hands

Angelika · 14-12-2012, 03:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ligerwolve2

So Im going to go sit on my hands

Loooooooooooooooooool I´won´t .

Please, wolves, SHOW us your FCI papers.

Cheers
Angelika

14-12-2012, 03:42

I never claimed to have FCI papers.

I don't make false claims, unlike some people here. Why don't you ask ligerwolve to show FCI papers?

QLDphil · 18-12-2014, 00:41

Hi there, This is my first time here. I am looking to get two Czech Wolfdogs here in Australia. Can anyone help?

Ligerwolve2 · 18-12-2014, 15:52

Hi there QLDphil. I would suggest you do a bit of stalking on here and find a reputable breeder to import from. Quarantine starts at only 10 days now which is so much better for importing but its still a costly affair. Have you ever imported before?

QLDphil · 19-12-2014, 00:10

Hi there,

No I haven't imported a dog before, I heard it was horrifically expensive. Do you have any breeders you recommend? Also do you know what the likely cost is? I had heard that you can't get them till they are over 9 mths old?

Ligerwolve2 · 07-01-2015, 15:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by QLDphil

Hi there,

No I haven't imported a dog before, I heard it was horrifically expensive. Do you have any breeders you recommend? Also do you know what the likely cost is? I had heard that you can't get them till they are over 9 mths old?

I would suggest you do some stalking on here to find a breeder you click with. Just be extremely careful. Lots of shady people ready to take advantage of you.

Its been a while since I did the sums. They have shortened quarantine times but increased the daily amount. Last I looked into it you would expect to pay between $10 - 14,000. It could be cheaper now.

If memory serves me its around 6 months of age before they can leave. they need shots and blood tests etc. Then flights etc. plus the minimum 10 days quarantine.

So as you can see you would want to be really sure you are getting the best.

Sorry I cant be more helpful. If I remember I will pop up some links for you when I'm next online for quarantine information.

13-12-2012, 22:52	#1
Wolves Guest Posts: n/a	I've mentioned many times we were satisfied with the breeder. My family were registered purebred breeders for decades, vaccinated, registered and health checked and we did our best to ensure they went to the best possible homes. Also had best in show winners. We've also been involved in animal welfare, in conjunction with the local vet and newspaper, we had a program where we would re home lost and abandoned dogs. So don't try and make out that we're not experienced. The breeder stopped talking to you, therefore it's not my place to discuss it with you. Perhaps if you were on better terms, you could try asking the breeder again? I doubt it would get anywhere given the unjust remarks you said about them since. "Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:14 PM I wouldnt trust this breeder at all. There is a fair amount of doubt with both dogs." - Now not once this year did anyone say the mother was in doubt, as you can see, I showed you posted it at sep,2012. The pedigree, showing the female is spirit of the wolf has been up for years now. So ok, you may not of directly lied. But you made that statement because of what people falsely said years ago before the pedigree was known. I wouldn't trust anyone who doesn't bother to check their facts before they attempt to defame someone. You aren't in a position to judge the health and temperament of my dogs, you know nothing about them and never will. But given the way you talked about your "wolfdog" eating your TV, there seems to be something strange and dangerous going on there. I was expecting my dogs to be hard, but they're intelligent and learn extremely quickly. Not hard dogs to own at all...maybe that's just my dogs in particular. They're not as devoted to working for you as a GSD, they get bored and will do there own thing after a while, but teaching them is easy. "Im not trying to rain on your parade so to speak" Ha, what are you even on about? "You dont have any first hand knowledge of my dog or her breed. How can you when you have never met one or met my dog. " I don't claim to have first hand knowledge of your dog, like you do with mine. But I know that Czechoslovakian Shepherds are German Shepherds. As for her breed, I know a lot about German Shepherds, so yes I do know about the breed. It's funny how you think this breeder was registered, when they hadn't even bothered to get the breed recognised here in Australia. Probably because its impossible to register a non existent breed. Like I said ask anyone here what they think of your dog, and they'll most likely agree with me. Last edited by Wolves; 13-12-2012 at 23:34.

14-12-2012, 03:42	#11
Wolves Guest Posts: n/a	I never claimed to have FCI papers. I don't make false claims, unlike some people here. Why don't you ask ligerwolve to show FCI papers? Last edited by Wolves; 14-12-2012 at 04:09.

18-12-2014, 00:41	#12
QLDphil Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 4	CZW Wanted Hi there, This is my first time here. I am looking to get two Czech Wolfdogs here in Australia. Can anyone help?

19-12-2014, 00:10	#14
QLDphil Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 4	Woolfdog Australia Hi there, No I haven't imported a dog before, I heard it was horrifically expensive. Do you have any breeders you recommend? Also do you know what the likely cost is? I had heard that you can't get them till they are over 9 mths old?

14-12-2012, 01:51	#2
Ligerwolve2 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 57	Here are some more quotes. My last reply on DOL - Incase anyone is interested its been confirmed (as you can read for yourselves) that the sire and grandsire are non registered which given there has been crosses out of that kennel before is a bit suspicious. I will leave you all to make up your own minds And here is one from you - The sire was not registered, neither was one of his parents but after that, all are registered. If you'd looked you would of seen VDH numbers. Seriously how do you think a dog is a mix, when both parents are registered? - When I say both parents, im not refering to my dogs. So you can use the term parents in a general manner but you use it as some kind of evidence else where?

14-12-2012, 01:56	#3
Ligerwolve2 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 57	Here is another from you - I would hope that in the case of the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog, that owners would be required to have some kind of permit. Many people buy them for their looks, and although they have done research, they don't realise how much of a challenge the dog is untill they buy one. I recently got a Wildlife Permit, as I intend to own a dingo in the future, it's a free permit. Just I had to build a large enclosure and demonstrate that I know a lot about dingoes in order to recieve it. I don't think they will put a permit when it comes to owning dogs like the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog in Australia, as they're a domestic dog unlike the dingo. But it really would help, as they're not like a normal dog. But the first step is actually getting the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog recognised here.... Thats an interesting read dont you think. So your dogs are so easy but here you talk about how people should have to have a permit? The last line made me laugh. Or should I say LOL.

14-12-2012, 02:01	#4
Ligerwolve2 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 57	Here is another quote by you which says you dont understand breeding very well - These pups have a pedigree, which shows they are pure. Its not like a breeder has it on their computer and edits it themself or anything...

14-12-2012, 02:10	#5
Ligerwolve2 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 57	You also said earlier your dogs had been looked at already so were fine, yet an experienced person would know to wait to they are mature enough to test. Amber eyes are rare in GSDs? Yeah again I think you have had little to do with them. You think a dog teething in dangerous? Now that made me laugh. She was 5 months and had a chance to chew something up SCARY!!! So its ok for you to say you did xyz but give no name, you wont say if YOUR dogs parents were health tested (which most people would be happy to say that so its very fishy you wont). However you want me to share every single detail of ONE of my dogs. AND YOU are in no better boat to judge my dog. Since you know nothing about her - which you have said yourself. Your now bringing up points about my dog Ive already covered - go back and read if your interested.

14-12-2012, 02:36	#6
Wolves Guest Posts: n/a	"I'm going to stop replying. I don't see the point of it"...obviously you're not confident enough to stand by your word. Firstly you're showing your ignorance again. The grandsire is Aragon Spirit of the Wolf, and is most definitelely registered. Even now you clearly haven't seen the pedigree. Stop making statements without checking first. From doing research into the breed, I had the impression czws would be a challenging breed to own, but now I own them, my first hand expirience tells me differently. Although I am an expirienced dog owner. Also I was saying they would need to be recognised here before you could consider anything such as permits. Please improve your comprehension skills before trying to pick me out on points like that. You say your dog ate a TV! I'm not saying your dog is dangerous, I'm saying you're a dangerous owner. No responsible owner would allow their dog to eat electronic equipment. She could of choked on something, or worse been electrocuted. I know what a Czechoslovakian Shepherd is. So I know you're a liar. You still haven't mentioned why the breeder didn't attempt to have them recognised here by the way.. My dogs regularly go to the vets. For their age they're very healthy. You haven't answered one thing about your dog. You haven't even shown pictures. Yes I do understand breeding. Maybe you don't understand English. The pedigree shows they're pure, you cannot argue with that. Now unless you have evidence that the pedigree is fraudulent, then they're pure. Where's your evidence, because right now...what you're doing looks a lot like defamation.

14-12-2012, 02:39	#7
Wolves Guest Posts: n/a	You need to apologise for the multiple false claims you've made.

14-12-2012, 02:02	#8
Angelika Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 847	bla bla bla bla bla Very fine, but I´m really sorry, Ligerwolve2 and Wolves. I think, everyone else here is really bored. Cheers and bye Angelika

18-12-2014, 15:52	#13
Ligerwolve2 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 57	Hi there QLDphil. I would suggest you do a bit of stalking on here and find a reputable breeder to import from. Quarantine starts at only 10 days now which is so much better for importing but its still a costly affair. Have you ever imported before?