My plan to get a CSW

[André]

Sorry but that's a very risky plan...
First time dog owner, first time CzW owner... in an apartment. From all you said this is the point I think that can easily go wrong.
For example, if you have the bad luck of picking a dog like mine you're screwed CzW tends to be destructive, howls and has a LOT of energy.
If you could see my dog running non-stop on my yard like a cheetah you would get my point

[avgrunn]

I don't want to ruin your plan but to tell the truth, there are many reasons why it can go wrong and it is not only about the dog. Do you have anyone who can help you with him?
You have to take into consideration the fact that you will be exhausted for the first couple of months, your work, a puppy, remember a vlcak is not a dachshund who will go back to sleep when you want him to ( well at least my dachshunds were doing that ) The more frustrated you will be the more active the dog will be

My Uro wasn't really a wild force of destruction, we had our problems but it wasn't anything bad or serious. I believe the main reason of that was that we are very lucky to have 3 other dogs of different breeds,very attached to us, without any stupid ideas and very keen to help us. Without them it would be very hard to raise him, they are very patient and Uro can be a real pain in the ..neck but they have their ways to keep him busy and quite well-behaving when we are not home I love spending time with Uro but I can't take him everywhere.

Think about everything before you decide.

[Rona]

Originally Posted by André

First time dog owner, first time CzW owner... in an apartment.

I don't think the apartment is a crucial issue. I know vlcaks raised and living happily in apartments, houses and kennels (never allowed inside human lodgings!) and also vlcaks abandoned from all of the above! Each solution has its advantages and drawbacks. Young "apartment vlcaks" need a lot of outdoor time from their owners, but are bound to learn good manners fast

I agree that it's much easier to raise a vlcak in a family where there are "helpers" - other dog(s) and people. If not for other reasons - to get sometimes a bit of rest time from the beloved little monsters

[Priska182]

Other point... A treadmill can be useful with such dogs in your case They really have a lot of energy

[Apache]

Yes I thought about a treadmill seeing as it sometimes used by Cesar Milan.

[tupacs2legs]

Originally Posted by Apache

Yes I thought about a treadmill seeing as it sometimes used by Cesar Milan.

Noooooo not milan!

[tupacs2legs]

Originally Posted by Priska182

Other point... A treadmill can be useful with such dogs in your case They really have a lot of energy

Often 'over exercise' can be over stimulating(adreneline rush that's hard to relax from) so counter productive,they need a tired mind not just tired body...so more training and trick solving and mental stimulation is what's needed,also u have to be carefull with a young large breed pup with how much and what kind of exercise they have.

Csv's seem to self regulate so don't often use all their energy up anyway,they always have some in reserve and also u will just end up with an ultra fit dog so its kind of a no ended road

[avgrunn]

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

they need a tired mind not just tired body...so more training and trick solving and mental stimulation is what's needed,also u have to be carefull with a young large breed pup with how much and what kind of exercise they have.

Csv's seem to self regulate so don't often use all their energy up anyway,they always have some in reserve and also u will just end up with an ultra fit dog so its kind of a no ended road

Completely agree

I remember when Uro was a puppy it was impossible to tire him physically, he could run, jump, play with dogs, annoy me for hours, afterwards he needed only 20-60 minutes for a sleep and then he could do it all over again . But after mental exercises he needed some more time to recharge his batteries (around 2-3 hours). Only after a year he calmed down, he just got used to me and my way of spending days. But nowadays he still tires mentally not physically So treadmill is just a waste of your money.


About Milan, I used to watch his show, kind of believed in all that but since I've got Uro I can see that those methods are just pointless and cruel. This is just my opinion.

[Rona]

Originally Posted by avgrunn

Completely agree
I remember when Uro was a puppy it was impossible to tire him physically, he could run, jump, play with dogs, annoy me for hours, afterwards he needed only 20-60 minutes for a sleep and then he could do it all over again . But after mental exercises he needed some more time to recharge his batteries (around 2-3 hours). Only after a year he calmed down, he just got used to me and my way of spending days. But nowadays he still tires mentally not physically So treadmill is just a waste of your money.
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I fully agree. My pup running and playing for 2 hours with other dogs was not as worn out as after a 30 minute walk in the city centre, a visit to a shopping mall, cafe, ride by a tram or bus, etc. I used to take her everywhere I could - to my accountant, hairdresser, to a food market, occasionally to my office hours, etc. etc. In fact she still accompanies me to various places and loves it

Another very effective method to exhaust a puppy is to take it for a 30-40 minute free walking and sniffing in a park (preferably rather empty) on a long line, with the human just following the dog.
And last but not least - training: 15-20 minutes obedience session equals more or less 1 hour physical exercise.

I mean a pup should be exposed to all of these and probably even more

BTW our trainer says that some recent studies showed that for a dog (not particularly a vlcak) participation in a dog show makes him so agitated, that he needs two days on average to have his hormones level back to normal!

[Priska182]

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

Often 'over exercise' can be over stimulating(adreneline rush that's hard to relax from) so counter productive,they need a tired mind not just tired body...so more training and trick solving and mental stimulation is what's needed,also u have to be carefull with a young large breed pup with how much and what kind of exercise they have.

Csv's seem to self regulate so don't often use all their energy up anyway,they always have some in reserve and also u will just end up with an ultra fit dog so its kind of a no ended road

That the reason why you need to don't use it every day and too often... I don't want an athlete And I can assure you that Genzo is not one. But the treadmill is also a "mental" activity because he need to concentrated to stay on it
Anyway, I'm glad to have one when I don't have enough time to walk him for hours
But it’s true that adult CsV are really surprising… My old lady at 12 years old was a real sofa girl, but when we goes for long walk she was always ready

[yukidomari]

treadmills are handy for getting your dog used to distance and for building stamina (But still doesn't emulate really "real road" conditions).. but keep in mind young dogs should not be using a treadmill or any other exercise which is repetitive and especially not on natural surfaces. I would consider treadmill exercises the same as biking with a dog, and wouldn't do it until after the dog is physically mature around 18 mth or so.