Demoniak de la Louve Blanche - Page 12

LadyJessy · 28-03-2012, 15:44

Oooooh Andrea, che onore!!! Qui mi rispondi?? wow! Che uomo che sei....... Non meriteresti nemmeno una risposta!
Comunque tranquillo, il guinzaglio era lente e poteva anche sdraiarsi dietro di me o starmi ad un metro di distanza se voleva

yukidomari · 28-03-2012, 15:44

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Originally Posted by LadyJessy

Demoniak Diamond N/DM
Doz Wolfsirius N/N
Gunner de loups de l'ostrevent N/DM
Graal de loups de l'ostrevent N/N

All tested in Laboklin!

Arimminium was talking about Dwarfism, not only DM..

LadyJessy · 28-03-2012, 16:16

Sophie asked me to put these 2 pics

The day after the exposure to my house ... "animals of Sophie" quiet... also with strangers!

michaelundinaeichhorn · 28-03-2012, 16:28

This kind of pictures was the reason why I made and posted this video.....
We are talking about a working dog breed not a sofa-wolf-breed. If you want to keep this kind of animals: Your problem. If you do it as purebred CSW, or mistreat them: A public problem. If you cannot understand this fact: Again your problem.
You can post as many private videos as you like it doesn´t change the problem shown on the video. I can post some alike photos of our European Wolves, so what?

Ina

michaelundinaeichhorn · 28-03-2012, 16:29

Sophie, that was a poor and helpless reply...

But let's come back to the facts and I hope you can help us a little bit.

What was and is your, as well as Capiez' and Turkilla's intention to produce such animals with FCI-pedigrees?
I think it's really daring as an unexperienced CSW-person and "breeder" to start such an "experiment" which might affect big parts of the CSW-population.
I truly hope you have an answer for me and us.

As we see on this video it seems to be a backstep in behaviour, how do you select the dogs for your litters and future plans?

How come that some of them seem to have an "American" appearance rather than an "Eurasian"?

Unexperienced persons as you and Capiez are (wolfdogwise...), did anybody help you in any way?

Apart from wolfish looks, do you expect anything else from your animals?

You see, questions and questions.

Michael

wolfin · 28-03-2012, 16:36

nice photo but without CSV burning soul

hanninadina · 28-03-2012, 16:40

This video is ridiclious! I remember very well how shy your founder of your csw breed Gerda z Rofa was. fam Eichhorn! My family and me will never forget that she even being in her own house and room jumped to the window because of the simple "click" of the Canon photo when my wife made pictures! She even did not pass bonitation = P 14! First when Gerda z Rofa was 8 years, she passed with P 3. I did not know that it is allowed to do repeat it.

Sophie, you are right, the husband of Ina had several times girl friends - everybody knows.

I can not see any facts in Sophies dogs that look like american wolfdogs! These are purely europaen wolfdogs. I would call them foundation stock of csw!

I am wondering that you Eichhorn people are talking about working breed csw. You started 2-3 years ago with mantrailing. Til that time you did nothing with them. You know best, that no one can do any agility in real competition with them, or sleddoging. A very few are able to do IPO stuff.

The only "work" they can do is 40 km biking or mantrailing. And there are of course in both deciplins far better dog breeds!

And I will never forget when I went in 2004/5 with my Myla Crying Wolf to the shows in exhibition halls and hunter exhibitions. All people told me, wow, we never saw an open csw like yours. Normally they are always standing beside with their tail under the belly. And of course that is how I learned the csw to know in 1999 during dogshows. And they had been like this for many many times. First in 2006 til now they became in general more open because people bred better more open dogs and did better socialization with the pups and dogs.

So we have here true csw = foundation stock animals because from mother and father side is fresh carpathian wolf blood inside. And in days like this sociaty does not want any aggressiv barking wolfdogs! So it was the right time to bring in fresh blood and brink the csw down from hyperactiv behavior.

And I am wondering Margo and Sarka wrote above that they were very interested in Sophies dogs when seeing them first time. I can not understand why both recognize them as pure csw - but Eichhorns are not able?

Do you remember the song from Metallica with the title

SO WHAT?

Very nice animals, the best csw ever bred!

Christian

vero et sa meute · 28-03-2012, 16:41

Effectively to us they are not working dogs, they are not dogs of sofa, but mistreated dogs of bed!!!!! Which(who) look really put under stress

Photography taken there is 5 minutes to me

vero et sa meute · 28-03-2012, 16:49

before even saying bad things about my photo beside the cage because this is a new Czechoslovakian Wolfdog just arrived home ....

vero et sa meute · 28-03-2012, 16:51

and to close all Ina I have never seen all your dogs live together strange!:!

Tell us the number of times your dogs have been to the vet?

hekate · 28-03-2012, 16:52

Graal during the exhibition which shows me sound to blow so that I scratch him, one see that he is very put under stress

michaelundinaeichhorn · 28-03-2012, 17:13

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Originally Posted by vero et sa meute

and to close all Ina I have never seen all your dogs live together strange!:!

Tell us the number of times your dogs have been to the vet?

Look at the pictures on facebook. There are lots of.
And they see their vet daily as I am a veterinary surgeon

Ina

leila · 28-03-2012, 17:30

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Originally Posted by hanninadina

So we have here true csw = foundation stock animals because from mother and father side is fresh carpathian wolf blood inside.

please explain.

wolfin · 28-03-2012, 17:36

Originally Posted by hanninadina

So we have here true csw = foundation stock animals because from mother and father side is fresh carpathian wolf blood inside.

but with a falsh pedigree? why they have in this case FALSH documents?

yukidomari · 28-03-2012, 18:28

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Originally Posted by leila

please explain.

I too .. Some don't seem to understand the cynological concept of "breed".. can I have a 'true Dobermann' in one generation by randomly mixing German Pinschers and Rottweilers?

furyos · 28-03-2012, 18:48

Hahahahah new drama

) I laugth a LOT .. When people don't know ... What they can do ??? They imagine what they wish .... I meet more some shy dogs from big kennel than ours ... And fir respect from your kennel daiva /ina and Mkl /Margo I
Close my month .... Good dreams on what you don t have in your kennels (healthy and nice dogs ) frank capiez

Rona · 28-03-2012, 19:29

Look what warm and loving creatures they are

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hdUCzbCuYk

Surly they must be CSVs?

michaelundinaeichhorn · 28-03-2012, 19:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rona

Surly they must be CSVs?

They must be as aggression is only shown by CSWs

as a part of their GSD ancestry

Ina

koomak · 28-03-2012, 20:12

You filmed for 3 hours! ! You love me so much! !! You came just for that! you came to spy on me! ! Your video shows nothing! ! Show 3h completely! ! My dogs do not know the cage! they were calm and without aggressiveness! ! I saw many many aggressive dogs all day! ! This is not normal! ! I prefer mine! ! Why blame you pictures of carolina? I do not understand! you are jealous! ! Jealous jealous jealous. .

wolfin · 28-03-2012, 20:22

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Originally Posted by koomak

You filmed for 3 hours! ! You love me so much! !! You came just for that! you came to spy on me! ! Your video shows nothing! ! Show 3h completely! ! My dogs do not know the cage! they were calm and without aggressiveness! ! I saw many many aggressive dogs all day! ! This is not normal! ! I prefer mine! ! Why blame you pictures of carolina? I do not understand! you are jealous! ! Jealous jealous jealous. .

read a standart if can this make :
in dog show WAS TYPICAL dog like standart and say:

BEHAVIOUR / TEMPERAMENT:
Lively, very active, capable of endurance, docile with quick reactions. Fearless and courageous. Suspicious. Shows tremendous loyalty towards his master. Resistant to weather conditions. Versatile in his uses.
and about others - realy jokes about blond are true

28-03-2012, 15:44	#221
LadyJessy Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Collesalvetti (Li) Posts: 430	Oooooh Andrea, che onore!!! Qui mi rispondi?? wow! Che uomo che sei....... Non meriteresti nemmeno una risposta! Comunque tranquillo, il guinzaglio era lente e poteva anche sdraiarsi dietro di me o starmi ad un metro di distanza se voleva __________________ Jessy Chiba Gunner & Company

28-03-2012, 16:16	#223
LadyJessy Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Collesalvetti (Li) Posts: 430	Sophie asked me to put these 2 pics The day after the exposure to my house ... "animals of Sophie" quiet... also with strangers! __________________ Jessy Chiba Gunner & Company

28-03-2012, 16:29	#225
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	Sophie, that was a poor and helpless reply... But let's come back to the facts and I hope you can help us a little bit. What was and is your, as well as Capiez' and Turkilla's intention to produce such animals with FCI-pedigrees? I think it's really daring as an unexperienced CSW-person and "breeder" to start such an "experiment" which might affect big parts of the CSW-population. I truly hope you have an answer for me and us. As we see on this video it seems to be a backstep in behaviour, how do you select the dogs for your litters and future plans? How come that some of them seem to have an "American" appearance rather than an "Eurasian"? Unexperienced persons as you and Capiez are (wolfdogwise...), did anybody help you in any way? Apart from wolfish looks, do you expect anything else from your animals? You see, questions and questions. Michael Last edited by michaelundinaeichhorn; 28-03-2012 at 16:40.

28-03-2012, 16:36	#226
wolfin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Where the wolf lives Posts: 6,095	nice photo but without CSV burning soul __________________

28-03-2012, 16:40	#227
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	This video is ridiclious! I remember very well how shy your founder of your csw breed Gerda z Rofa was. fam Eichhorn! My family and me will never forget that she even being in her own house and room jumped to the window because of the simple "click" of the Canon photo when my wife made pictures! She even did not pass bonitation = P 14! First when Gerda z Rofa was 8 years, she passed with P 3. I did not know that it is allowed to do repeat it. Sophie, you are right, the husband of Ina had several times girl friends - everybody knows. I can not see any facts in Sophies dogs that look like american wolfdogs! These are purely europaen wolfdogs. I would call them foundation stock of csw! I am wondering that you Eichhorn people are talking about working breed csw. You started 2-3 years ago with mantrailing. Til that time you did nothing with them. You know best, that no one can do any agility in real competition with them, or sleddoging. A very few are able to do IPO stuff. The only "work" they can do is 40 km biking or mantrailing. And there are of course in both deciplins far better dog breeds! And I will never forget when I went in 2004/5 with my Myla Crying Wolf to the shows in exhibition halls and hunter exhibitions. All people told me, wow, we never saw an open csw like yours. Normally they are always standing beside with their tail under the belly. And of course that is how I learned the csw to know in 1999 during dogshows. And they had been like this for many many times. First in 2006 til now they became in general more open because people bred better more open dogs and did better socialization with the pups and dogs. So we have here true csw = foundation stock animals because from mother and father side is fresh carpathian wolf blood inside. And in days like this sociaty does not want any aggressiv barking wolfdogs! So it was the right time to bring in fresh blood and brink the csw down from hyperactiv behavior. And I am wondering Margo and Sarka wrote above that they were very interested in Sophies dogs when seeing them first time. I can not understand why both recognize them as pure csw - but Eichhorns are not able? Do you remember the song from Metallica with the title SO WHAT? Very nice animals, the best csw ever bred! Christian Last edited by hanninadina; 28-03-2012 at 16:46.

28-03-2012, 16:28	#224
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	This kind of pictures was the reason why I made and posted this video..... We are talking about a working dog breed not a sofa-wolf-breed. If you want to keep this kind of animals: Your problem. If you do it as purebred CSW, or mistreat them: A public problem. If you cannot understand this fact: Again your problem. You can post as many private videos as you like it doesn´t change the problem shown on the video. I can post some alike photos of our European Wolves, so what? Ina

28-03-2012, 16:41	#228
vero et sa meute Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sologne Posts: 375	Effectively to us they are not working dogs, they are not dogs of sofa, but mistreated dogs of bed!!!!! Which(who) look really put under stress Photography taken there is 5 minutes to me __________________ le jour ou le loup entrera dans chaque foyer, que l'homme n'en aura plus peur, qu'il le respectera comme son egal et non comme un rival, l'humanité comprendra la nature et la protegera ....."

28-03-2012, 16:49	#229
vero et sa meute Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sologne Posts: 375	before even saying bad things about my photo beside the cage because this is a new Czechoslovakian Wolfdog just arrived home .... __________________ le jour ou le loup entrera dans chaque foyer, que l'homme n'en aura plus peur, qu'il le respectera comme son egal et non comme un rival, l'humanité comprendra la nature et la protegera ....."

28-03-2012, 16:51	#230
vero et sa meute Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sologne Posts: 375	and to close all Ina I have never seen all your dogs live together strange!:! Tell us the number of times your dogs have been to the vet? __________________ le jour ou le loup entrera dans chaque foyer, que l'homme n'en aura plus peur, qu'il le respectera comme son egal et non comme un rival, l'humanité comprendra la nature et la protegera ....."

28-03-2012, 16:52	#231
hekate Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Marseille Posts: 601	Graal during the exhibition which shows me sound to blow so that I scratch him, one see that he is very put under stress __________________ http://www.wix.com/chienloup/eriador http://darwenclt.wordpress.com/ http://chienloupeuropeen.forumactif.com/

28-03-2012, 17:36	#234
wolfin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Where the wolf lives Posts: 6,095	Originally Posted by hanninadina So we have here true csw = foundation stock animals because from mother and father side is fresh carpathian wolf blood inside. but with a falsh pedigree? why they have in this case FALSH documents? __________________

28-03-2012, 18:48	#236
furyos Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 729	Hahahahah new drama ) I laugth a LOT .. When people don't know ... What they can do ??? They imagine what they wish .... I meet more some shy dogs from big kennel than ours ... And fir respect from your kennel daiva /ina and Mkl /Margo I Close my month .... Good dreams on what you don t have in your kennels (healthy and nice dogs ) frank capiez

28-03-2012, 20:12	#239
koomak ? Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Valenciennes (59) Posts: 1,160	You filmed for 3 hours! ! You love me so much! !! You came just for that! you came to spy on me! ! Your video shows nothing! ! Show 3h completely! ! My dogs do not know the cage! they were calm and without aggressiveness! ! I saw many many aggressive dogs all day! ! This is not normal! ! I prefer mine! ! Why blame you pictures of carolina? I do not understand! you are jealous! ! Jealous jealous jealous. . __________________ AMITIES DE KOUMAK, DEMONIAK DIAMOND, DREAM SHAWAK, DÔZ, GRAAL, APACHE, PARYSSE ET SOPHIE