Demoniak de la Louve Blanche

wolfin · 28-03-2012, 15:21

strange, when only owners of this mix not see any problems in this mixes. others people easy see a BIG diferents in anatomy and behavior.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 28-03-2012, 15:33

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Originally Posted by wolfin

strange, when only owners of this mix not see any problems in this mixes. others people easy see a BIG diferents in anatomy and behavior.

It seems to be some kind of partial blindness, nevertheless, interesting reactions....

Ina

LadyJessy · 28-03-2012, 15:44

Oooooh Andrea, che onore!!! Qui mi rispondi?? wow! Che uomo che sei....... Non meriteresti nemmeno una risposta!
Comunque tranquillo, il guinzaglio era lente e poteva anche sdraiarsi dietro di me o starmi ad un metro di distanza se voleva

LadyJessy · 28-03-2012, 16:16

Sophie asked me to put these 2 pics

The day after the exposure to my house ... "animals of Sophie" quiet... also with strangers!

michaelundinaeichhorn · 28-03-2012, 16:28

This kind of pictures was the reason why I made and posted this video.....
We are talking about a working dog breed not a sofa-wolf-breed. If you want to keep this kind of animals: Your problem. If you do it as purebred CSW, or mistreat them: A public problem. If you cannot understand this fact: Again your problem.
You can post as many private videos as you like it doesn´t change the problem shown on the video. I can post some alike photos of our European Wolves, so what?

Ina

michaelundinaeichhorn · 28-03-2012, 16:29

Sophie, that was a poor and helpless reply...

But let's come back to the facts and I hope you can help us a little bit.

What was and is your, as well as Capiez' and Turkilla's intention to produce such animals with FCI-pedigrees?
I think it's really daring as an unexperienced CSW-person and "breeder" to start such an "experiment" which might affect big parts of the CSW-population.
I truly hope you have an answer for me and us.

As we see on this video it seems to be a backstep in behaviour, how do you select the dogs for your litters and future plans?

How come that some of them seem to have an "American" appearance rather than an "Eurasian"?

Unexperienced persons as you and Capiez are (wolfdogwise...), did anybody help you in any way?

Apart from wolfish looks, do you expect anything else from your animals?

You see, questions and questions.

Michael

wolfin · 28-03-2012, 16:36

nice photo but without CSV burning soul

vero et sa meute · 28-03-2012, 16:41

Effectively to us they are not working dogs, they are not dogs of sofa, but mistreated dogs of bed!!!!! Which(who) look really put under stress

Photography taken there is 5 minutes to me

vero et sa meute · 28-03-2012, 16:49

before even saying bad things about my photo beside the cage because this is a new Czechoslovakian Wolfdog just arrived home ....

hanninadina · 28-03-2012, 16:40

This video is ridiclious! I remember very well how shy your founder of your csw breed Gerda z Rofa was. fam Eichhorn! My family and me will never forget that she even being in her own house and room jumped to the window because of the simple "click" of the Canon photo when my wife made pictures! She even did not pass bonitation = P 14! First when Gerda z Rofa was 8 years, she passed with P 3. I did not know that it is allowed to do repeat it.

Sophie, you are right, the husband of Ina had several times girl friends - everybody knows.

I can not see any facts in Sophies dogs that look like american wolfdogs! These are purely europaen wolfdogs. I would call them foundation stock of csw!

I am wondering that you Eichhorn people are talking about working breed csw. You started 2-3 years ago with mantrailing. Til that time you did nothing with them. You know best, that no one can do any agility in real competition with them, or sleddoging. A very few are able to do IPO stuff.

The only "work" they can do is 40 km biking or mantrailing. And there are of course in both deciplins far better dog breeds!

And I will never forget when I went in 2004/5 with my Myla Crying Wolf to the shows in exhibition halls and hunter exhibitions. All people told me, wow, we never saw an open csw like yours. Normally they are always standing beside with their tail under the belly. And of course that is how I learned the csw to know in 1999 during dogshows. And they had been like this for many many times. First in 2006 til now they became in general more open because people bred better more open dogs and did better socialization with the pups and dogs.

So we have here true csw = foundation stock animals because from mother and father side is fresh carpathian wolf blood inside. And in days like this sociaty does not want any aggressiv barking wolfdogs! So it was the right time to bring in fresh blood and brink the csw down from hyperactiv behavior.

And I am wondering Margo and Sarka wrote above that they were very interested in Sophies dogs when seeing them first time. I can not understand why both recognize them as pure csw - but Eichhorns are not able?

Do you remember the song from Metallica with the title

SO WHAT?

Very nice animals, the best csw ever bred!

Christian

hekate · 28-03-2012, 16:52

Graal during the exhibition which shows me sound to blow so that I scratch him, one see that he is very put under stress

leila · 28-03-2012, 17:30

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Originally Posted by hanninadina

So we have here true csw = foundation stock animals because from mother and father side is fresh carpathian wolf blood inside.

please explain.

wolfin · 28-03-2012, 17:36

Originally Posted by hanninadina

So we have here true csw = foundation stock animals because from mother and father side is fresh carpathian wolf blood inside.

but with a falsh pedigree? why they have in this case FALSH documents?

yukidomari · 28-03-2012, 18:28

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Originally Posted by leila

please explain.

I too .. Some don't seem to understand the cynological concept of "breed".. can I have a 'true Dobermann' in one generation by randomly mixing German Pinschers and Rottweilers?

z Peronówki · 29-03-2012, 19:48

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Originally Posted by hanninadina

So we have here true csw = foundation stock animals because from mother and father side is fresh carpathian wolf blood inside. And in days like this sociaty does not want any aggressiv barking wolfdogs!

Christian, I think you are victim of the nice fairy tales told by the mongrels owners... Ask Sophie why she is no more showing her great Doz... Why she dissappeared from the show rings when the female started to be adult.
Ask Fabio to show you his Wolfsirius Dik Passo del Lupo. Could you late post us a photo with this "great" dog?

I really hope it will be not similar to this:

It was not different with Mutaras in Italy. Alaska aka Ave Lupo Mutara was registred by Fabio and covered with Lion Passo del Lupo. Did you forget his story? I will refresh your memory. Lion was given away by his owner because of the agressive behaviour. He came back to the breeder. During a show he attacked and seriously injured a young italian woman. Despite of it Fabio covered Ave Lupo with his male who should be taken OUT of the breeding. After it the dog was put down by him.
Christian - do you want to tell me that it is the great "fresh" blood which we should use? Do you think such animals will make our breed better?
Anyway I do not plan to use any psychopaths.

28-03-2012, 15:21	#1
wolfin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Where the wolf lives Posts: 6,095	strange, when only owners of this mix not see any problems in this mixes. others people easy see a BIG diferents in anatomy and behavior. __________________

28-03-2012, 15:44	#3
LadyJessy Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Collesalvetti (Li) Posts: 430	Oooooh Andrea, che onore!!! Qui mi rispondi?? wow! Che uomo che sei....... Non meriteresti nemmeno una risposta! Comunque tranquillo, il guinzaglio era lente e poteva anche sdraiarsi dietro di me o starmi ad un metro di distanza se voleva __________________ Jessy Chiba Gunner & Company

28-03-2012, 16:16	#4
LadyJessy Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Collesalvetti (Li) Posts: 430	Sophie asked me to put these 2 pics The day after the exposure to my house ... "animals of Sophie" quiet... also with strangers! __________________ Jessy Chiba Gunner & Company

28-03-2012, 16:29	#6
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	Sophie, that was a poor and helpless reply... But let's come back to the facts and I hope you can help us a little bit. What was and is your, as well as Capiez' and Turkilla's intention to produce such animals with FCI-pedigrees? I think it's really daring as an unexperienced CSW-person and "breeder" to start such an "experiment" which might affect big parts of the CSW-population. I truly hope you have an answer for me and us. As we see on this video it seems to be a backstep in behaviour, how do you select the dogs for your litters and future plans? How come that some of them seem to have an "American" appearance rather than an "Eurasian"? Unexperienced persons as you and Capiez are (wolfdogwise...), did anybody help you in any way? Apart from wolfish looks, do you expect anything else from your animals? You see, questions and questions. Michael Last edited by michaelundinaeichhorn; 28-03-2012 at 16:40.

28-03-2012, 16:36	#7
wolfin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Where the wolf lives Posts: 6,095	nice photo but without CSV burning soul __________________

28-03-2012, 16:28	#5
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	This kind of pictures was the reason why I made and posted this video..... We are talking about a working dog breed not a sofa-wolf-breed. If you want to keep this kind of animals: Your problem. If you do it as purebred CSW, or mistreat them: A public problem. If you cannot understand this fact: Again your problem. You can post as many private videos as you like it doesn´t change the problem shown on the video. I can post some alike photos of our European Wolves, so what? Ina

28-03-2012, 16:41	#8
vero et sa meute Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sologne Posts: 375	Effectively to us they are not working dogs, they are not dogs of sofa, but mistreated dogs of bed!!!!! Which(who) look really put under stress Photography taken there is 5 minutes to me __________________ le jour ou le loup entrera dans chaque foyer, que l'homme n'en aura plus peur, qu'il le respectera comme son egal et non comme un rival, l'humanité comprendra la nature et la protegera ....."

28-03-2012, 16:49	#9
vero et sa meute Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sologne Posts: 375	before even saying bad things about my photo beside the cage because this is a new Czechoslovakian Wolfdog just arrived home .... __________________ le jour ou le loup entrera dans chaque foyer, que l'homme n'en aura plus peur, qu'il le respectera comme son egal et non comme un rival, l'humanité comprendra la nature et la protegera ....."

28-03-2012, 16:40	#10
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	This video is ridiclious! I remember very well how shy your founder of your csw breed Gerda z Rofa was. fam Eichhorn! My family and me will never forget that she even being in her own house and room jumped to the window because of the simple "click" of the Canon photo when my wife made pictures! She even did not pass bonitation = P 14! First when Gerda z Rofa was 8 years, she passed with P 3. I did not know that it is allowed to do repeat it. Sophie, you are right, the husband of Ina had several times girl friends - everybody knows. I can not see any facts in Sophies dogs that look like american wolfdogs! These are purely europaen wolfdogs. I would call them foundation stock of csw! I am wondering that you Eichhorn people are talking about working breed csw. You started 2-3 years ago with mantrailing. Til that time you did nothing with them. You know best, that no one can do any agility in real competition with them, or sleddoging. A very few are able to do IPO stuff. The only "work" they can do is 40 km biking or mantrailing. And there are of course in both deciplins far better dog breeds! And I will never forget when I went in 2004/5 with my Myla Crying Wolf to the shows in exhibition halls and hunter exhibitions. All people told me, wow, we never saw an open csw like yours. Normally they are always standing beside with their tail under the belly. And of course that is how I learned the csw to know in 1999 during dogshows. And they had been like this for many many times. First in 2006 til now they became in general more open because people bred better more open dogs and did better socialization with the pups and dogs. So we have here true csw = foundation stock animals because from mother and father side is fresh carpathian wolf blood inside. And in days like this sociaty does not want any aggressiv barking wolfdogs! So it was the right time to bring in fresh blood and brink the csw down from hyperactiv behavior. And I am wondering Margo and Sarka wrote above that they were very interested in Sophies dogs when seeing them first time. I can not understand why both recognize them as pure csw - but Eichhorns are not able? Do you remember the song from Metallica with the title SO WHAT? Very nice animals, the best csw ever bred! Christian Last edited by hanninadina; 28-03-2012 at 16:46.

28-03-2012, 16:52	#11
hekate Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Marseille Posts: 601	Graal during the exhibition which shows me sound to blow so that I scratch him, one see that he is very put under stress __________________ http://www.wix.com/chienloup/eriador http://darwenclt.wordpress.com/ http://chienloupeuropeen.forumactif.com/

28-03-2012, 17:36	#13
wolfin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Where the wolf lives Posts: 6,095	Originally Posted by hanninadina So we have here true csw = foundation stock animals because from mother and father side is fresh carpathian wolf blood inside. but with a falsh pedigree? why they have in this case FALSH documents? __________________