Introducing The Czechoslovakian Wolfdog {Vlcak} Breed Club of Great Britain

[Murph]

By help you mean import a bloodline. I'm a bit selfish really...I want a CvS as a companion....nothing more. All this bickering just puts me off getting involved with anything. I don't understand why the two 'factions' can't just work out their differences and combine forces for one common cause

[yukidomari]

When the 'differences' are people in support of ethical growth vs people in support of a good market in which to now breed purebred dogs when they used to breed mixes for the same market, it's irreconcilable.

Add to that buyers who just want a dog the easiest way they can get them, then you can understand why two factions exist. One is supported by ideals and the other by customers.

[hedeon]

Sorry, wrong place

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Murph

I don't understand why the two 'factions' can't just work out their differences and combine forces for one common cause

Well, maybe you know how to work out the differences with somebody who does not allow access to his (her? their?) communication platform, nor answers questions about things that may be worrying, nor tries to explain his (her? their?) point of view, reasons or plans?

Or, was telling off FCI judge & Head of the country breed club + banning her from their forum only because she dared to ask a couple of simple questions an example of the declared cooperation within the international CSV community???

[Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club GB]

Thankyou for all your great help, support and advice

We are thrilled to announce the opening of the new website

www.czechoslovakianvlcak.co.uk

The Official Czechoslovakian Wolfdog [Vlcak] Breed Club of Great Britain

Enjoy!

[Nebulosa]

Seems it's so shameful be in this club that even the main chairman try to hide his own name.

[GalomyOak]

2 observations...

1. At least in America, it is illegal to use the Copyrighted materials of another club's website without permission

I would certainly hope the creators of a breed club would have the knowledge, experience, intelligence and ambition to use their own words to describe their breed, and dog breeding in general for their fellow countrymen...or at least ask permission to use the words of another, and give credit to the people who did take the time to create materials...

http://www.czechoslovakianvlcak.org/...rreferral.html

http://www.czechoslovakianvlcak.co.u...for/4561789716

It seems I have read some of the other materials on your page verbatim as well...

2. Other than joining our Facebook page (as a name of your club, not a person) and promoting your forum without asking, at least I (the president for the The Czechoslovakian Vlcak Club of America) have no clue who anyone in your club is, or what they stand for, or what they have done in their past...so would not and do not give permission to use our club's materials, as we hope only to align our club with breeders and owners who have a past history of embodying the same ethics as we do. Generally most official clubs list their officers, contacts, etc. - who are you guys? By name, by kennel, by dogs?

[yukidomari]

The UK is a World Intellectual Property Organization Copyright Treaty participant...

[Rona]

Originally Posted by GalomyOak

At least in America, it is illegal to use the Copyrighted materials of another club's website without permission

No only in the US, Marcy. In Europe too, including the UK !!!

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by GalomyOak

etc. - who are you guys? By name, by kennel, by dogs?

The question for a million dollars

[Shadowlands]

Originally Posted by Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club GB

Thankyou for all your great help, support and advice

Yes, the advice has been used to good result - now your website reads like you really are intending ethical breeding and the protection of the breed. Not the, as previously stated, desire to breed anyway and keep a record for when recognition was achieved, to lump in with all the existing non-FCI dogs in the UK. Yet nowhere do you actually address this point - how do you expect people to believe that you can change the point of view of a club and all it's members so quickly?

As for lifting passages from someone else's website - you had better be very careful about doing that...

Originally Posted by Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club GB

The Official Czechoslovakian Wolfdog [Vlcak] Breed Club of Great Britain

What makes you the 'official' club? It is the understanding of us mere mortals that it is the Kennel Club that bestows this honour on it's chosen club, once the breed has been put onto the Import Register - unless you have achieved this but not announced it in all your glory?

It is also nice to see you have now adopted the name 'vlcak' - even to the extent of using it in www.czechoslovakianvlcak.co.uk - do you think it adds credibility?



Sorry, yet another rehash of your beliefs and ethics, altered based on the critisisms of others far more experienced in the breed. I'm afraid I am getting a sense of deja-vu over this...