Mixes tchec

michaelundinaeichhorn · 25-02-2012, 22:34

Dear Ariminium,

why do you complain about the moderators in the french forum at all, even calling them dictators?
As long as you have the freedom to celebrate one of the most well known and obvious mixes, http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthr...23819&langid=7
in your forum, your complaints seem ridiculous to me.

Michael

ArImInIuM · 25-02-2012, 23:08

dear michaelundinaeichhorn

already, I'm just a dog owner, nothing more, until finally now, I actually celebrate my dog's birthday, one year, this festival .....
I put forward the very many things we endure for a long time on this forum, the lies, rumors, through some perverse of our moderators, their very own way of attacking some people regularly, under pretexts they do not agree with them, they use euro "power" to announce what they want under the guise of the directors then saying they are responsible for anything, some post disappear almost immediately, and other still, if this is not the dictatorship, call it what you want ...
some farmers are not housed in the same boat, there is a blatant favoritism, edit a blacklist circulated by WD, coming from a moderator is simply a lack of bias, lack of competence, that's all simply unacceptable.
I would note that the post of the wolves géméhtoues Ostrevent was simply moved to another section "Videos & photo stories" and we do we are not offended so far, just as we talk to other breeds of dogs ... not? and that's good.
what I mean here is how some moderators act, they accuse without proof, they announce things without knowing, just "one says," they take part openly for some and denigrate others.
For me this is a dictatorship.

moderator must be impartial, must not favoritism, should not feed the gossip and rumors of all kinds, must not denigrate any of the breeders / users of this forum, should not STEAL images imformatiques on other media to start rumors or say without some evidence of their claims, a moderator is required to calm the thread of conversation, not to feed them, see them stir, a moderator is a link between the administrator and users during the "conflict" or claims a moderator should be neutral in any circumstance, which is far from being the case for some of them.

it is sorely lacking in monitoring displays errors, by cons, the updates are rumors very quickly, is this normal?

to the wise

ArImInIuM · 25-02-2012, 23:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Dear Ariminium,

why do you complain about the moderators in the french forum at all, even calling them dictators?
As long as you have the freedom to celebrate one of the most well known and obvious mixes, www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?p=423819&langid=7
in your forum, your complaints seem ridiculous to me.

Michael

I am at your disposal a copy of the map of LOF géméthoués wolves of Ostrevent:
recognized by his parentage DNA test proving that mom and dad are good:
Demoniak diamond is well recognized champion of France in 2011 by the French authorities as Czechoslovakian Wolfdog (CBIE and other)
rumors are references to various allegations all stupider than false as to the authorship of Demoniak,
of our moderators and administrators after it has three different fathers, American, German, French, a nice cocktail gene.
Now I place here the photo of the wolves géméhtoués Ostrevent and show me how this bitch is not Czechoslovakia, if one refers to the standard, there is no evidence to the contrary.
I accept the words "atypical" and "different", I am proud as a private owner to make my dog like Czechoslovakian Wolfdog, like the other three.
I am also proud to present it in competition for his confirmation, and many other competitions in France and Europe.

By chaarey at 2012-02-09

ArImInIuM · 25-02-2012, 23:54

I would just like to say that this post is primarily to settle the problem of Elba, and not that of géméhtoués ... because his case has been placed on the French forum.

So back to errors in the database on this dog
thank you

michaelundinaeichhorn · 26-02-2012, 07:34

The DNA-test might prove that the parents of your animal are indeed Demoniak and Doz.
But both of them are already mixes from dishonest breeders.
So what's it worth?
Nothing!
So do you and the other owners of the mentioned G-litter just close your eyes or tell us this fairytale deliberately?

ArImInIuM · 26-02-2012, 12:51

I will repeat, this post is not that of géméhtoués ago on a French forum post which has very extensive discussion on the subject and if you want to be discussed.
for géméhtoués, I said many times, see it what you want, it will not Destineer for breeding, the dog I wanted, I love her as much as the others, I should not go pplus in a sterile debate and which will result in nothing more, it is much more to me than some Czechoslovak dogs for sale, I'm crazy and Demoniak doz, his breeder allowed me to have one of their daughter, I am happy and proud as I am proud Jalisca of chaa'rey charushila hu'nass or, as some have problems with this line in my eyes have no more importance than that. you would bring absolute proof that there's blood in yorkshire, I would not unless this bitch, you have trouble with Mr. capiez (because it is from him that it is indirectly, in proceedings is not my problem, I am not affiliated with it in any form whatsoever. I appreciate some of these dogs, as I can enjoy some dogs with other breeders, breeding all confused, there is beauty everywhere, there are also less attractive, there will always be critics, when it will no longer LLB, it will be another breeding.
the thing that concerns me, however, how an unscrupulous breeder ausi that LLB, can be placed on the rings, can be champion of France for two consecutive years, without that no judges see the difference? you'd be better judges that them? would you smarter? or follow you like an idiot wind of rumors about its direction?

to the wise

for me this issue has no place on this post so the next response will be made on the post and it will géméhtoués in FRENCH.

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=18389

michaelundinaeichhorn · 26-02-2012, 13:02

If you think, that a general judge that has a group of dogs with pedigrees in the ring is the right person to solve this, or that the problem is about beauty of dogs it is indeed a waste of time to discuss with you.
If you cannot understand that faked pedigrees endanger a breed why do you discuss at all.
The proof that those dogs are offspring of their parents is useless as long as there is not proof that their grandparents are the ones in the pedigrees. Issar´s owner will come to Europe in summer, so this problem can be solved, to solve the de La Louve Blanche Problem it needs a lot more.
I understand the general wolfdog.org problem, I don´t feel comfortable with this rumors too, and I don´t believe the rumors about the Y-litter Crying wolf are true but I am very sure the rumors about the French dogs are true because I could see some of those dogs with my own eyes and yes, I am a better judge of this breed than most general FCI-judges cause I know hundreds of CSW since 15 years now.
And if you can´t live with a discussion you shouldn´t start it.

Ina

ArImInIuM · 26-02-2012, 13:39

So do not waste time with me, there were very many things made here!

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=18389

and there will be others, now when I see some dogs with long hair like French much more than the German Shepherd of Czechoslovakian Wolfdog, I look at my dog with as much admiration as ever.
there's Czechoslovakian Wolfdog for everybody, good, not so good, I chose a look that suits me, whether you like it, it's YOUR problem, not mine.
marriage that bothers you, it's YOUR problem, me I like it and I would defend my dog, be it "" MIX "" do not ask me no worries, the narrowness of mind of some will not make me change mind.
Camp on your ideas, I stay on mine.
you need a bone? Take this dog, there will be other issues far more important for the preservation of a race that some dogs atypical.
but if you think a simple little French breeder can single-handedly destroy an entire race, it is giving much more importance than it really.
and finally I'm like you I find this very sterile discution. Let the small farmer ignorant I am watching my dog with love and devotion as I would with any dog.
to the wise

25-02-2012, 23:08	#2
ArImInIuM Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 762	dear michaelundinaeichhorn already, I'm just a dog owner, nothing more, until finally now, I actually celebrate my dog's birthday, one year, this festival ..... I put forward the very many things we endure for a long time on this forum, the lies, rumors, through some perverse of our moderators, their very own way of attacking some people regularly, under pretexts they do not agree with them, they use euro "power" to announce what they want under the guise of the directors then saying they are responsible for anything, some post disappear almost immediately, and other still, if this is not the dictatorship, call it what you want ... some farmers are not housed in the same boat, there is a blatant favoritism, edit a blacklist circulated by WD, coming from a moderator is simply a lack of bias, lack of competence, that's all simply unacceptable. I would note that the post of the wolves géméhtoues Ostrevent was simply moved to another section "Videos & photo stories" and we do we are not offended so far, just as we talk to other breeds of dogs ... not? and that's good. what I mean here is how some moderators act, they accuse without proof, they announce things without knowing, just "one says," they take part openly for some and denigrate others. For me this is a dictatorship. moderator must be impartial, must not favoritism, should not feed the gossip and rumors of all kinds, must not denigrate any of the breeders / users of this forum, should not STEAL images imformatiques on other media to start rumors or say without some evidence of their claims, a moderator is required to calm the thread of conversation, not to feed them, see them stir, a moderator is a link between the administrator and users during the "conflict" or claims a moderator should be neutral in any circumstance, which is far from being the case for some of them. it is sorely lacking in monitoring displays errors, by cons, the updates are rumors very quickly, is this normal? to the wise __________________ Last edited by ArImInIuM; 25-02-2012 at 23:12.

25-02-2012, 23:54	#4
ArImInIuM Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 762	I would just like to say that this post is primarily to settle the problem of Elba, and not that of géméhtoués ... because his case has been placed on the French forum. So back to errors in the database on this dog thank you __________________

26-02-2012, 12:51	#6
ArImInIuM Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 762	I will repeat, this post is not that of géméhtoués ago on a French forum post which has very extensive discussion on the subject and if you want to be discussed. for géméhtoués, I said many times, see it what you want, it will not Destineer for breeding, the dog I wanted, I love her as much as the others, I should not go pplus in a sterile debate and which will result in nothing more, it is much more to me than some Czechoslovak dogs for sale, I'm crazy and Demoniak doz, his breeder allowed me to have one of their daughter, I am happy and proud as I am proud Jalisca of chaa'rey charushila hu'nass or, as some have problems with this line in my eyes have no more importance than that. you would bring absolute proof that there's blood in yorkshire, I would not unless this bitch, you have trouble with Mr. capiez (because it is from him that it is indirectly, in proceedings is not my problem, I am not affiliated with it in any form whatsoever. I appreciate some of these dogs, as I can enjoy some dogs with other breeders, breeding all confused, there is beauty everywhere, there are also less attractive, there will always be critics, when it will no longer LLB, it will be another breeding. the thing that concerns me, however, how an unscrupulous breeder ausi that LLB, can be placed on the rings, can be champion of France for two consecutive years, without that no judges see the difference? you'd be better judges that them? would you smarter? or follow you like an idiot wind of rumors about its direction? to the wise for me this issue has no place on this post so the next response will be made on the post and it will géméhtoués in FRENCH. http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=18389 __________________

26-02-2012, 13:39	#8
ArImInIuM Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 762	So do not waste time with me, there were very many things made here! http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=18389 and there will be others, now when I see some dogs with long hair like French much more than the German Shepherd of Czechoslovakian Wolfdog, I look at my dog with as much admiration as ever. there's Czechoslovakian Wolfdog for everybody, good, not so good, I chose a look that suits me, whether you like it, it's YOUR problem, not mine. marriage that bothers you, it's YOUR problem, me I like it and I would defend my dog, be it "" MIX "" do not ask me no worries, the narrowness of mind of some will not make me change mind. Camp on your ideas, I stay on mine. you need a bone? Take this dog, there will be other issues far more important for the preservation of a race that some dogs atypical. but if you think a simple little French breeder can single-handedly destroy an entire race, it is giving much more importance than it really. and finally I'm like you I find this very sterile discution. Let the small farmer ignorant I am watching my dog with love and devotion as I would with any dog. to the wise __________________

25-02-2012, 22:34	#1
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	Dear Ariminium, why do you complain about the moderators in the french forum at all, even calling them dictators? As long as you have the freedom to celebrate one of the most well known and obvious mixes, http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthr...23819&langid=7 in your forum, your complaints seem ridiculous to me. Michael

26-02-2012, 07:34	#5
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	The DNA-test might prove that the parents of your animal are indeed Demoniak and Doz. But both of them are already mixes from dishonest breeders. So what's it worth? Nothing! So do you and the other owners of the mentioned G-litter just close your eyes or tell us this fairytale deliberately?

26-02-2012, 13:02	#7
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	If you think, that a general judge that has a group of dogs with pedigrees in the ring is the right person to solve this, or that the problem is about beauty of dogs it is indeed a waste of time to discuss with you. If you cannot understand that faked pedigrees endanger a breed why do you discuss at all. The proof that those dogs are offspring of their parents is useless as long as there is not proof that their grandparents are the ones in the pedigrees. Issar´s owner will come to Europe in summer, so this problem can be solved, to solve the de La Louve Blanche Problem it needs a lot more. I understand the general wolfdog.org problem, I don´t feel comfortable with this rumors too, and I don´t believe the rumors about the Y-litter Crying wolf are true but I am very sure the rumors about the French dogs are true because I could see some of those dogs with my own eyes and yes, I am a better judge of this breed than most general FCI-judges cause I know hundreds of CSW since 15 years now. And if you can´t live with a discussion you shouldn´t start it. Ina