Czechoslovakian vlcak club uk

[Murph]

Looks good.

How do you get the breed registred with the British Kennel Club when their are no breeders solely dedicated to breed???

[hedeon]

Originally Posted by Murph

Looks good.

How do you get the breed registred with the British Kennel Club when their are no breeders solely dedicated to breed???

Looks like we don't need them, but hope they will join with time

[kaiku]

Fantastic work. We will se quality breeding in UK very soon.

[Gia]

double post

[Gia]

I trust Marron from my kennel, who recently has arrived in the UK will contribute to register the breed in the UK

I'll follow the activities of the club and keep my fingers crossed for you guys!!!

Good luck!!!!

[Shadowlands]

Originally Posted by Murph

Looks good.

How do you get the breed registred with the British Kennel Club when their are no breeders solely dedicated to breed???

It will not happen overnight but the group is working towards recognition by setting up a Breed Club and laying down strict guidelines to be followed. It is hoped that only FCI registered dogs will be used in future breeding programmes and even then, not until the breed is KC recognised. For recognition, you do not need actual breeders who are currently breeding, just good, pure, healthy, unrelated animals which will ensure the viability and progression of the breed in the future. Too few animals will lead to inbreeding, so the KC have set a number of 20 unrelated traceable animals before recognition can be achieved.

The group has my full support and that of many other people on the continent.

Good Luck everyone - we're going to need it :P

[Shadowlands]

Oh, and we are open to new members joining at any time - as long as you agree to and abide by the guidelines

The more genuine breed lovers and protectors we can get involved, the better - no need to actually own a CsV at the moment, just enthusiasm and a desire to see things done properly - with the welfare of the breed foremost - is all that is needed

[Narvana]

Good work!
Good luck!

[szasztin]

Great work!!!!

[soul]

Originally Posted by Murph

Looks good.

How do you get the breed registred with the British Kennel Club when their are no breeders solely dedicated to breed???

Imported Breed Register Policy

1. Applications for recognition of breeds
The Committee will consider an application for recognition of a breed once there are specimens of it resident in the UK and the dog(s) are imported from a country either having a Kennel Club with which there is a reciprocal agreement or which has full membership of the F.C.I. or where there is a Breed Club maintaining a Stud Book and acceptable to the Kennel Club. Application for recognition and subsequent registration should be made in the first instance to the Breed Standards and Stud Book Sub-Committee. In general, an application should consist of:

• Names & addresses of UK owners/importers
• Total number of dogs of the breed in the UK [ideally at least 20, preferably unrelated]
• Copies of pedigrees of UK dogs – at least 3 generations
• Proposed breeding plan and indication of available gene pool
• Indication of temperament and characteristics
• Recognition status in the country of origin
• Details of registration body in country of origin
• Indication of group classification
• If the breed has been crossbred, when the registry closed
• Brief history of the breed in its country of origin & photographs
• Functionality of breed and how widely it is used
• Breed Standard from country of origin
• Breed Registration statistics in country of origin [ideally a consistent minimum of 50 per year]; and other countries
• Show entry statistics in country of origin and at international level [ideally a minimum of 35 individually exhibited at a single competitive event]
• Details of any inherited conditions prevalent in the breed
• For Working Breeds – details of activities. Video footage [if available]

Please note that it is the individual responsibility of those applying for breed recognition to ensure due compliance with all statutory and regulatory requirements, including requisite licences, permissions and consents as are laid down by the general law, with regard to the keeping, breeding and selling of any particular breed. Recognition of the breed by the Kennel Club will not denote that any of the above has been satisfied or complied with.
Recognition of a breed allows registration on the Imported Breeds Register, although the breed would not be eligible for exhibition until such time as an Interim Breed Standard is published. This is not considered at the same time as recognition, as it is the Kennel Club’s policy to allow the breed to develop slowly before show participation is permitted. Importers of new breeds are encouraged to form a provisional breed club, registration of which can be applied for once a certain nucleus of the breed has been established in the UK.

2. Eligibility for competition
Immediately the dog is accepted on the Imported Breed Register it can be entered and compete in Kennel Club Working Trials, Obedience, Agility and Flyball competitions. These dogs are also permitted to make ‘not for competition’ entries at shows.
Entry and competition at other Kennel Club licensed events for dogs on the Imported Breed Register is limited to Imported Breed Register classes, matches and exemption dog shows, and then only after an Interim Breed Standard has been approved by the Committee and PUBLISHED in the Kennel Gazette. Winners of Imported Breed Register classes are not eligible for group or best in show competition.
Immediately a breed is accepted on the Imported Breed Register, a dog of that breed can be entered and compete in Kennel Club Gundog Working Tests. Competition in Field Trials is subject to General Committee approval.

3. Production of an Interim Breed Standard
When there are at least ten dogs of the breed on the Imported Breed Register an application for the production of an Interim Breed Standard may be submitted for consideration by the Committee. Such application should include:

• A brief history of the dogs imported and registered.
• The size of the gene pool in the country.
• Any proposed breeding plan for the breed.

4. Breed Club registration
Supporters of a new imported breed will be encouraged to register a breed club which will be designated as a PROVISIONAL breed club. Only one per breed will be allowed and the club will only become fully registered if the breed is transferred from the Imported Breed Register to the Breed Register. Once a provisional breed club has been registered it may schedule one match competition per year but only as an internal club match or with another registered provisional breed club. The breeds eligible to compete would be only those breeds included within the title of the club(s) involved.

5. Transfer of a breed from the Imported Breed Register to the Breed Register
A breed will remain on the Imported Breed Register until it is considered sufficiently well established to move to the Breed Register. An application for transfer to the Breed Register would include:

• A brief history of the breed following its imported registration including an account of the number of dogs shown in Imported Register classes.
• The size of the gene pool and the available breeding lines in this country.

Kennel Club Regulation B3 defines the Imported Breed Register as follows:
The Imported Breed Register
a. The General Committee may accept for entry in the Imported Breed Register an imported dog of a previously unrecognised breed if the dog is imported from a country either having a Kennel Club with which there is a reciprocal agreement or which has full membership of the FCI or where there is a Breed Club maintaining a Stud Book and acceptable to The Kennel Club.
b. A breed given Imported Breed Register status may be transferred to the Breed Register at a later date at the discretion of the General Committee. Applications to transfer a breed from the Imported Breed Register to the Breed Register should be made to the General Committee by the appropriate Breed Club in accordance with the guidelines most recently published.
c. Foreign breeds, previously eligible for entry on the Breed Register will be transferred to the Imported Breed Register in accordance with Regulation B1b where there has been no registration activity for 10 years.
d. Breeds on the Imported Breed Register will be de-classified if there has been no registration activity within the breed over a ten year period.

NOTE:
It must be emphasised that only when a breed has been transferred to the Breed Register may dogs in the breed be entered in breed classes at shows.
If ten years elapse without any new registration on the Imported Breed Register the breed will be deleted from this register.

[Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club GB]

Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club of Great Britain has been an established group since 2011

We thank ‘wolf dog.org’ for giving the club chance to reply to the remarks made here.

We would like to inform readers that this tread on Wolfdog.org is one sided and only the opinion from members of the other group. The members of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ are in the main non owners of newly imported dogs for example Shadowlands , Rona and others are all breeders / wolf dog org moderators / admins.
The founders of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ ;- Patryk [Hedeon], Layla[Tupacs2legs] , Hannah Crook [Tassle] , Chris Hind [Pixie] own non FCI and mixed dogs bought from UK Breeders such as Mr Winder/ Mr Collins’orkwolf’ /Andre Tanner/Lee Church and many other members don’t own any Czechoslovakian wolf dogs and have no experience of them.

This group http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ is a secret group and not open to all. We wonder why is this? and as far as our Club is concerned this group has no credibility .

If said members of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ insist they are promoting the breed why would they not include all known new dogs to the UK, is this not bias ? Surely it would be a benefit to this group to include all newly imported dogs?

Wouldn’t it of been more beneficial to unite than to slander and mis inform readers.
Does this not make the group http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ look stupid and extremely unprofessional?

Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club of Great Britain was formed by new owners of FCI registered / imported dogs and members interested in owning the breed in the future, Our Club is not managed/run/linked or owned by any established breeder in the UK.

The Club aims are to unite and then pursue Kennel Club Registration of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs

The Club also aims to:

Promote the interests, welfare and responsible ownership of the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog in the United Kingdom, bring together owners and future breeders and facilitate the exchange of views and information on all subjects appertaining to the breed.

Keep a register of all litters eligible for registration until such time as the breed is recognised by the UK Kennel Club.

Keep accurate records of all health problems and temperament issues in the breed.

In addition to keeping a register of imported FCI registered Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs, necessary to obtain KC recognition, the Club is also keeping a register of UK bred dogs that will be eligible for KC registration once the breed has been recognised.

Our Club has a agreed Constitution and Code of Ethics and the Committee grows stronger every day.

We as a Club have more important roles to play in promoting pure breeding and development of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs in the UK. We have no time or desire to troll the internet and discredit other groups on forums and social networks. Not like some members of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ and wolf dog.org who purport themselves as guardians of the breed that troll the internet causing friction and have done zero to promote the breed only within secret societies, resulting only to discredit themselves as guardians.

Surely Admin and Moderators of this site should be clearer on facts before exasperating such a thread and misrepresenting our Club.

Wouldn’t it be more prudent for the wolf dog.org admin on this tread to give a unbias reply?

We hope this corrects the misrepresentation of our Club and of course welcome support from all members.

[soul]

Originally Posted by Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club GB

Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club of Great Britain has been an established group since 2011

We thank ‘wolf dog.org’ for giving the club chance to reply to the remarks made here.

We would like to inform readers that this tread on Wolfdog.org is one sided and only the opinion from members of the other group. The members of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ are in the main non owners of newly imported dogs for example Shadowlands , Rona and others are all breeders / wolf dog org moderators / admins.
The founders of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ ;- Patryk [Hedeon], Layla[Tupacs2legs] , Hannah Crook [Tassle] , Chris Hind [Pixie] own non FCI and mixed dogs bought from UK Breeders such as Mr Winder/ Mr Collins’orkwolf’ /Andre Tanner/Lee Church and many other members don’t own any Czechoslovakian wolf dogs and have no experience of them.

This group http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ is a secret group and not open to all. We wonder why is this? and as far as our Club is concerned this group has no credibility .

If said members of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ insist they are promoting the breed why would they not include all known new dogs to the UK, is this not bias ? Surely it would be a benefit to this group to include all newly imported dogs?

Wouldn’t it of been more beneficial to unite than to slander and mis inform readers.
Does this not make the group http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ look stupid and extremely unprofessional?

Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club of Great Britain was formed by new owners of FCI registered / imported dogs and members interested in owning the breed in the future, Our Club is not managed/run/linked or owned by any established breeder in the UK.

The Club aims are to unite and then pursue Kennel Club Registration of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs

The Club also aims to:

Promote the interests, welfare and responsible ownership of the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog in the United Kingdom, bring together owners and future breeders and facilitate the exchange of views and information on all subjects appertaining to the breed.

Keep a register of all litters eligible for registration until such time as the breed is recognised by the UK Kennel Club.

Keep accurate records of all health problems and temperament issues in the breed.

In addition to keeping a register of imported FCI registered Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs, necessary to obtain KC recognition, the Club is also keeping a register of UK bred dogs that will be eligible for KC registration once the breed has been recognised.

Our Club has a agreed Constitution and Code of Ethics and the Committee grows stronger every day.

We as a Club have more important roles to play in promoting pure breeding and development of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs in the UK. We have no time or desire to troll the internet and discredit other groups on forums and social networks. Not like some members of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ and wolf dog.org who purport themselves as guardians of the breed that troll the internet causing friction and have done zero to promote the breed only within secret societies, resulting only to discredit themselves as guardians.

Surely Admin and Moderators of this site should be clearer on facts before exasperating such a thread and misrepresenting our Club.

Wouldn’t it be more prudent for the wolf dog.org admin on this tread to give a unbias reply?

We hope this corrects the misrepresentation of our Club and of course welcome support from all members.

I just tried to visit your clubs web page but it was closed? it's a shame that there is already a divide in clubs and wouldn't it be better if you guys unite?
This will improve the chance of the breed getting recognition with the UK kennel club.

[Maddie]

In an ideal world, think everybody would love to be able to unite and fight for recognition together. but the problem is that the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club GB has been founded and run by breeders who have used the CsV to create mixes to line their own pockets rather than to flourish and establish the breed here in the UK. how can the Czechoslovakian Vlcak Club of UK, which is made up of people who are trying to protect the CsV and encourage pure breeding through trusted lines, agree with the practice of breeding mixes?

[Murph]

Can someone please clarify the differences between these two clubs?!!!
Who founded each?
Have they both got websites and forums?!?

I am going to get a CsV as soon as a suitable litter is available. I am not however going to partake in politics around the breed. All I am interested in is a companion

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by Murph

Can someone please clarify the differences between these two clubs?!!!
Who founded each?
Have they both got websites and forums?!?

I am going to get a CsV as soon as a suitable litter is available. I am not however going to partake in politics around the breed. All I am interested in is a companion

The diference is that one club is really trying to help the breed in UK, while the other club is a "desperate try" made by UK puppy millers to avoid the formation of a real and right club of the breed in UK.
If there is a club working for help and selecting the breed, the puppy millers will have real problems, before UK was a real paradise for puppy millers willing to mistake people with the talk of "CzW are agressive, mixes are better" or "there are no CzW in UK than ours mixes", but now, with new rules for import dogs, to import a CzW is much easier and these puppy millers are for lost their market.
If you wish information, contact the http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ its the right club with no "hidden interest".
You can be sure that wolfdog club GB is not a serious club only by looking its reactions at this forum, completely childish reaction.

[hedeon]

Originally Posted by Murph

Can someone please clarify the differences between these two clubs?!!!
Who founded each?
Have they both got websites and forums?!?

I am going to get a CsV as soon as a suitable litter is available. I am not however going to partake in politics around the breed. All I am interested in is a companion

Same as me. Really. But if you dig deeper you will start to see whole picture. You will understand that someone has to get involved, even if doesn't like to. You will understand that if you will not do anything one day CSV will end up on list of banned breeds in UK. Only because some breeder whose main concern was money, didn't ask right questions when selling his puppy, and later dog bitten someone, cause his owner is real moron, who bought this dog for its scary, wolfish look. What you gonna do with your dog when it is going to be illegal to have one? Murph, not asking you to join us. Look around, talk to people, read old post here, and find out why breeders from Europe banned UK from sending puppies. Make your own mind...

[hedeon]

Originally Posted by soul

I just tried to visit your clubs web page but it was closed? it's a shame that there is already a divide in clubs and wouldn't it be better if you guys unite?
This will improve the chance of the breed getting recognition with the UK kennel club.

Yes Soul, it would be better. See my reply http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21819

But thing is, CSV club can not be managed by people who brought this breed in this country to brink of destruction. Because of these breeders UK was banned for export by European breeders. How you want to make them to trust us if among us will be the same people who caused whole mess? And to have proper breeding in UK, we need to cooperate with quality breeders from Europe.

[Murph]

So the only way to get a FCI registered dog is to import??

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Murph

So the only way to get a FCI registered dog is to import??

Yes. And when selecting the kennel and litter it would be wise to cooperate with other owners who are purchasing or going to get pups, so as to ensure diversification of lines.

At the same time the pups should come from typical and healthy parents, (unsuspected of having unpure ancestors) and the breeders who sell them should be willing to help the UK owners not only with providing advice and assistance, but also smartly seeing to the formalities. This is important to avoid breaking the FCI pedigree lines. Otherwise the situation from the past might repeat

[soul]

Originally Posted by Murph

So the only way to get a FCI registered dog is to import??

Yes that's right if you want a FCI registerd puppy? then only imports from Ireland and Europe are registered as such. Fédération Cynologique Internationale (FCI) is an international federation of kennel clubs based in Belgium. The Fédération Cynologique Internationale has 84 member countries as of May 2008, with one member per country.Each member country regulates its own breed clubs and stud books, and trains its own judges; the FCI acts as an international coordinating body, making sure that pedigrees and judges are internationally recognized.In addition, the Fédération Cynologique Internationale sponsors and regulates the World Dog Show and international dog shows. The Fédération Cynologique Internationale is not affiliated with the UK but is recognized and accepted.

Problem is the UK KC does not accept all registered FCI breeds!