Obedience with CsV

[Priska182]

Hello Patrick,

Wow it's really amazing! Thank you very much for sharing Do you think that the clicker help a lot? I never try it, but I'm really curious about it... Have you take some cliker lesson?
As you can see I'm really looking for the best way to train my little monster. He is really smart but he also have a strong character

I never try "real obédiance" with my first Vlcak but this time I really wish more from my dog So I whant to know what I can expect from him now and what is still too soon for him...

Best regards,

Stéphanie & Genzo

[of_Mercedes_Dream]

The puppy is born in my breed but belong to Katleen and Tania. One of those ladies is dog trainer. You can contact her : [email protected]. Also in english.
I don't have experience with clicker.
Kuthumi Chohan of mercedes dream (30/10/11) is a son of Isla of mercedes dream and Heron van Goverwelle.
gr
Patrick

[Priska182]

Originally Posted by of_Mercedes_Dream

The puppy is born in my breed but belong to Katleen and Tania. One of those ladies is dog trainer. You can contact her : [email protected]. Also in english.
I don't have experience with clicker.
Kuthumi Chohan of mercedes dream (30/10/11) is a son of Isla of mercedes dream and Heron van Goverwelle.
gr
Patrick

Thank you very much Patrick

[jefta]

Thank's Marcy

Sexy is 24m old on movie. We start obedience when she was about one year old. It was a bit too early for our team. I don't like working with puppies so it was more destruktive than succesfull...
You can start with your dog now from building drives and motivation, focusing face, building on/off working bottom, introducing clicker etc. But comands and scheme... your decision. Working with puppies have good and bad sides. Think about it.
I use clicker. It is very helpfull especialy for less expiriened handlers with timing problem

[Priska182]

Thank you very much Jefta for your advices But why do you think it can be destructive with a young dog?

[jefta]

"When a dog start too young, he soon loses intrest or gets distracted. This creates a poor first impression.
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in going too far, too soon, the young dog get stressed or quits and there is noting you can do. This only teaches incorrect behavior and lives him with the wrong idea." Sheila Booth.

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Priska182

But why do you think it can be destructive with a young dog?

I have another explanation
Because walking a pup too much in a position so unnatural for a wolfdog, with the head up and turned to the side and with raising the front legs as if the pup was a pony might badly affect the top line and movement of an adult dog?

Sorry, but to me training such walking with the dog does not make any sense. Vlcaks don't need to look at the leader to "listen" to him. They use all senses to pay attention and react with their ears, notice every movement and slightest sound of words, non-verbal signals, breathing pace, etc. One can easily read how attentive the dog is by looking at his ears and body movement. I find this trait very "wolfish" and beautiful and would be afraid to spoil it by teaching a dog "circus walking".

I still appreciate the trick and have nothing against obedience as such; it's only a personal opinion of somebody who is rather non-sport and non-competitive. Real life obedience is much more important for me than any exams.

[jefta]

Originally Posted by Rona

I have another explanation
Because walking a pup too much in a position so unnatural for a wolfdog, with the head up and turned to the side and with raising the front legs as if the pup was a pony might badly affect the top line and movement of an adult dog?

puppy make 2-3 steps, young dog maybe 10-few times a week

Originally Posted by Rona

Sorry, but to me training such walking with the dog does not make any sense. Vlcaks don't need to look at the leader to "listen" to him. They use all senses to pay attention and react with their ears, notice every movement and slightest sound of words, non-verbal signals, breathing pace, etc. One can easily read how attentive the dog is by looking at his ears and body movement. I find this trait very "wolfish" and beautiful and would be afraid to spoil it by teaching a dog "circus walking".

When dog is really attentive, obidient, concentreted, full in drive and fast but not it`s ok for me, I like it I saw one (1) csv like this, but if I see that handler is in half way back when the dog just make turn about ...
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Originally Posted by Priska182

Thank you very much Jefta for your advices But why do you think it can be destructive with a young dog?

Example:
I start learning changing position when she was not ready. Now I have sit from down to the front but down from sit also to the front and because of that she move to the front even if she make no steps It`s very hard now to change meaning of a command. I`m talking only about sport obidience. Home work must be done so early as posible!!! Introdution to sport too.


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I saw video Great puppy There is introdution to cliker work. Very nice. I hope they publicate similar movie in next year I`m very intresting how they will work with this changing position

But it is much more easy to train a young dog than to wait til he is one year! Even speciality judges and absolutely breed specialist like Oscar Dora train their pups with 10 weeks with all sorts of command, which you saw in the video. I saw it 2 years ago with my own ice.

Oskar Dora have ever trained csv to high obidence? I know him as great exterier judge and breed specialist but first time I hear that he is also obidience specialist

[hanninadina]

Jefta, that what you did discribe what you did with your dog, Oskar did in front of strangers during a wolfdog meeting and show in germany with his 9 or 10 weeks old puppy. From down to sit and other way round!

It is obvious, that a dog learns much faster in socialization time during the first 16 weeks! That is what I did with my Myla.

It is old thinking to start teaching the dog with 1 year!

It is the same with children. They do learn in the early years much faster than later.

I am sorry, I am not a friend of Oskar, but I respect his highly work with his breeding and his animals. That is why I mentioned it. And you can see it in the video with the young pup, it is also doing from down to sit and other way round. And it is not a matter of clicker training....