British Kennel Club Recognition

[Rona]

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

how very nice of you to say so

It's a pity you're not a breeder, Layla! Think about it!

[happyfeet]

Originally Posted by Rona

It's a pity you're not a breeder, Layla! Think about it!

hmmmmm..ofcourse not Rona?

[Rona]

Originally Posted by happyfeet

hmmmmm..ofcourse not Rona?

This is exactly what I meant: that a person like Layla would make a very reliable and trustful breeder.

You might not be aware of the fact that usually it takes a few months to recognize "the pup market" - sometimes it takes a year or more to get a pup from a litter and kennel one is interested in, not to mention the necessity of raising (saving) funds for the pup and its transport. After the pup is imported it takes at least two years to raise, X-ray, train & bonitaite the female (if somebody wants to follow the ethical breeding principles, naturally). Sometimes CSV females are not on heat until they are two or three years old, and then there is still the matter of finding a suitable (tested X-rayed) stud and registering the kennel etc.

As you can see there's a long way from "thinking about breeding" to "breeding", and the Kennel Club might be recognized in the meantime, which I hope will happen.
Besides, I don't even know if Layla will ever take my advice seriously. She might have some other plans for her life.

To me your concern about her not breeding seems a bit .... weird As far as CSVs are concerned, I think there are many more worrying problems in the UK.

[happyfeet]

As my original reply was to the whole forum, I think my concern was fair and I did say origninally it confused me. I think the other post from the friend of a breeder was much more thought provoking than my reply and questions..and I didnt attack anyone just asked a simple question...

I dont think that KC will allow registration of this breed in the UK for quite some time so dont hold your breath!!

I am an owner not a breeder, the process I am fully aware of, however be it in jest or not you still encoraged it on this forum! which lead me to ask the question and thankyou for your reply

[Rona]

Originally Posted by happyfeet

I dont think that KC will allow registration of this breed in the UK for quite some time so dont hold your breath!!

Oh, really? I'm in touch with somebody from DEFRA, and this person has a different opinion on this subject. It's all a matter meeting formal requirements, and since importing pups with good pedigrees from different and interesting lines will be easier soon, they may have been fulfilled sooner than you think.

Why don't you ask a couple of European breeders how many enquieries about selling a pure bred CSV pup to the UK they have recenty had....

[happyfeet]

You presume that eveyone has internet? and that eveyone has knowledge of searching...I dont think this is actually a true reflection. I have access but very limited experience of the internet and forums....so for me its been an eye opener? perhaps thats my age!!
many of my friends hardly use the internet and are not very techno savvy....

Its good to hear all about your experience on the forum and nice to be able to share my own!

One would hope that all the people enquiring about puppies are going to push for registration and acceptance of the breed with the KC? perhaps something breeders could promote?

I dont need to ask breeders as I am not interested in having a puppy I very happy with my own dog , but thankyou for the information I am sure its good advice for other readers considering importing too the UK.

[Tazer]

Originally Posted by Tassle

I was led to believe that there were a group of people who had organised and got the paperwork sorted to submit to the KC - however - I was told this by someone who, after swearing she was not intending to cross-breed her CsV, went ahead and did just that! So I doubt the validity of what she says now...

Indeed, though I believe the someone in question stated they gathered all the paper work from the other people, who they then stated were never actually interested in getting the breed recognised in the first place.

Jmo, but I believe they just didn't want to work with each other. It would mean they'd have to put aside their differences and work for the betterment of the csv breed, rather than for the betterment of themselves and their pet projects.

I'm of the opinion that the future of the csv in the uk, lies not with those currently breeding (unless they change their ways) but with the owners of the pure csvs they've produced and with future owners/importers providing they've the right attitude. I'd go as far as saying, that those currently breeding have lost their right to any future involvement with the development of the breed here. Unless of course, as I said earlier, they change their ways and are able to prove it.

Possibly the saying 'Clutching at Straws' is applicable in this case.

Possibly, or they've just got their wires crossed.

Originally Posted by hedeon

He just crosses CSV with others breeds, and I don't really like to get my dog from breeder who does that. That's it.

Yep, that's it exactly.

Originally Posted by Rona

Oh, really? I'm in touch with somebody from DEFRA, and this person has a different opinion on this subject. It's all a matter meeting formal requirements, and since importing pups with good pedigrees from different and interesting lines will be easier soon, they may have been fulfilled sooner than you think.

Why don't you ask a couple of European breeders how many enquieries about selling a pure bred CSV pup to the UK they have recenty had....

I hope so, wonder which group they'd be put in. In other countries they seem to end up with all the herding breeds, which they aren't, I'd think working or utility would be a better choice for them.


Taz

[kalcon]

Originally Posted by Tazer

Indeed, though I believe the someone in question stated they gathered all the paper work from the other people, who they then stated were never actually interested in getting the breed recognised in the first place.

Jmo, but I believe they just didn't want to work with each other. It would mean they'd have to put aside their differences and work for the betterment of the csv breed, rather than for the betterment of themselves and their pet projects.

I'm of the opinion that the future of the csv in the uk, lies not with those currently breeding (unless they change their ways) but with the owners of the pure csvs they've produced and with future owners/importers providing they've the right attitude. I'd go as far as saying, that those currently breeding have lost their right to any future involvement with the development of the breed here. Unless of course, as I said earlier, they change their ways and are able to prove it.



Possibly, or they've just got their wires crossed.


Yep, that's it exactly.



I hope so, wonder which group they'd be put in. In other countries they seem to end up with all the herding breeds, which they aren't, I'd think working or utility would be a better choice for them.


Taz

i am james friend of ronnies or as he has told me you will know him as paul,,,,,,LOL suprized to see you on hear talking wolfdogs, but he did laugh when i read your
never arque with an idiot
they drag you down to therelevel
then beat you with experience,,,,,,,,,,

his reply
only an idiot or half witt
would try and act like they know it all
then try and take on someone with experience
you learnt a good lesson i hope.......

[kalcon]

Originally Posted by Rona

Oh, really? I'm in touch with somebody from DEFRA, and this person has a different opinion on this subject. It's all a matter meeting formal requirements, and since importing pups with good pedigrees from different and interesting lines will be easier soon, they may have been fulfilled sooner than you think.

Why don't you ask a couple of European breeders how many enquieries about selling a pure bred CSV pup to the UK they have recenty had....

you seem very sure of things Rona, for your information there where enough Pure bred czechoslovakian wolfdogs with FCI export pedigrees in the uk, to meet the uk kennel clubs requirements three years ago and seven of them belonged to your favorite Irishman ronnie.........