British Kennel Club Recognition

[hedeon]

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

back to the topic....but im sooo happy,i would not of entertained importing under the old timescale

You can't imagine how happy I am. Once I felled in love with this breed, I have read more and more about them, just to find out there are very few pure CSV in UK. I said, it is not so bad, I can import one from homeland. Then I was told about 6 month quarantine. I was so ruined. Then Rona light up a little spark of hope, saying someone told her something is about to change

[Tassle]

It is great news - I would love a Saarloos - but no-one in this country will breed pure as 'people cannot cope with them'....

Its a line used as an excuse fro crossing the CsV in this country as well and makes me SO mad!

....one day......
(Dream on!!)

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by Tassle

It is great news - I would love a Saarloos - but no-one in this country will breed pure as 'people cannot cope with them'....

Its a line used as an excuse fro crossing the CsV in this country as well and makes me SO mad!

....one day......
(Dream on!!)

Eh?!
Does it mean they tell people that an FCI recognized breed with standarized character are less suitable to people than an mix with unpredictable character?!
Gosh... why do I breed pure dogs!? We should all start to only re-home mongrels then! Easier, less expensive and we end up saving lifes.

I can't laugh much of UK breeders while in here we have yet people who swear their molossers are free of HD because such ill "does not exist in the breed", that's why make the X rays would be only a waste of time as all dogs are naturaly free, even if it's an Bulldog or an Labrador.

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

We should all start to only re-home mongrels then! Easier, less expensive and we end up saving lifes.

a breeder and i have gone over this possibility (in jest only)... she would send me mutts from the european countryside and i will market them here as something exotic...

[Tassle]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Eh?!
Does it mean they tell people that an FCI recognized breed with standarized character are less suitable to people than an mix with unpredictable character?!
Gosh... why do I breed pure dogs!? We should all start to only re-home mongrels then! Easier, less expensive and we end up saving lifes.

I can't laugh much of UK breeders while in here we have yet people who swear their molossers are free of HD because such ill "does not exist in the breed", that's why make the X rays would be only a waste of time as all dogs are naturaly free, even if it's an Bulldog or an Labrador.

...No - you can Laugh at the UK breeders.....its either that or cry!!

I got quite offended when they called my pure bred dog (not a Vlcak) an Inbred cripple!!.... because of course the other reason for crossing is that they (crosses) are always healthier.....

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Tassle

I got quite offended when they called my pure bred dog (not a Vlcak) an Inbred cripple!!.... because of course the other reason for crossing is that they (crosses) are always healthier.....

One might fear what they would call a pure vlcak?

I mean I have nothing against mixes or mongrels, we all know they make great pets! But I don't see any reason why producers of mixes call themselves breeders? The word "breed" indicates certain level of predictability of what one might expect from the dog he/she buys.

[hedeon]

Originally Posted by Rona

But I don't see any reason why producers of mixes call themselves breeders?

Probably more like lottery

[BeatriceSlavinschi]

Vaiva, please tell me ... do you have the name of the person?
I might get a similar email from UK. I'm almost certain is the same guy asking how he can get a puppy from Romania ... he also mentioned that he has a inuit/czech wolf ... but off course doesn't reveals his intentions this time.

Regards everyone,
Beatrice.

[kalcon]

Originally Posted by Tassle

It is great news - I would love a Saarloos - but no-one in this country will breed pure as 'people cannot cope with them'....

Its a line used as an excuse fro crossing the CsV in this country as well and makes me SO mad!

....one day......
(Dream on!!)

the saarloos that are in the uk only 4-5 are 100% pure, saarloos are not a difficult breed at all but getting a pure is hard and you need to go to breed club in Holland and talk to Gosling Mast

[Tassle]

Originally Posted by kalcon

the saarloos that are in the uk only 4-5 are 100% pure, saarloos are not a difficult breed at all but getting a pure is hard and you need to go to breed club in Holland and talk to Gosling Mast

I am aware of this - thank you.

[Tazer]

Originally Posted by hedeon

Then Rona light up a little spark of hope, saying someone told her something is about to change

Think that could've been me.

I didn't want to get my hopes up when I first found out, knowing what DEFRA can be like. But now its official...brilliant.

Taz

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Tazer

Think that could've been me.
I didn't want to get my hopes up when I first found out, knowing what DEFRA can be like. But now its official...brilliant.

Yes, it was you. Though honestly, I too, was more than sceptical at first.

[kalcon]

Originally Posted by hedeon

You can't imagine how happy I am. Once I felled in love with this breed, I have read more and more about them, just to find out there are very few pure CSV in UK. I said, it is not so bad, I can import one from homeland. Then I was told about 6 month quarantine. I was so ruined. Then Rona light up a little spark of hope, saying someone told her something is about to change

you are definately new to uk, there are over 60 pure bred CVS in uk, but they are not fci registered, but they are pure bred 100% guarenteed, dont bite your nose off to spite your face, you may need a uk breeder one day, dont forget all you people if it was not for two people fighting Defra you would have no wolfdogs in the uk, as all the help from Europe dried up after 2 years and the people had to finnish the job themselves,,not one thank you was every recieved from Europe......

[hedeon]

Originally Posted by kalcon

...if it was not for two people fighting Defra you would have no wolfdogs in the uk...

And for that I trully thank them. But what was real motives behind that is not so obvious. And if one of them is crossing CSV with other breeds, doing his own experiments, own projects I wont buy a puppy from him (it may be one of his experiments) only because he fought with DEFRA. It doesn't make him any more reliable breeder.

Originally Posted by kalcon

...there are over 60 pure bred CVS in uk, but they are not fci registered, but they are pure bred 100% guarenteed...

Maybe. Maybe not. There is a risk of getting cross instead, and it is too big for me, to take a chance. The risk is always, it just can be bigger or smaller.

If I am about to support someone I would like it would be a person with clear reputation, and motives... If there is any doubts about it, I will go to next one. Same with breeders, why I should support someone who may be in fact ie. hurting animals? If everyone would do the same, doubtful breeders soon would be left out of business, right? I am not saying every breeder in UK is bad. In fact I am sure many of them are wonderful breeders, but their CSV may come from not so wonderful kennels, or maybe they are not really aware of their CSV is in fact a cross. Risky, risky. No, thank you, I will not take chance.

Originally Posted by kalcon

...not one thank you was every recieved from Europe......

??? I thought that person did it because of his love for breed, because he wanted these dogs to be in UK, make breed more popular in this country, not for thanks and applause. But I can be wrong... Otherwise why to demand it so many times on this forum?

Any way, this discussion is getting a little bit off topic.

[kalcon]

Originally Posted by hedeon

And for that I trully thank them. But what was real motives behind that is not so obvious. And if one of them is crossing CSV with other breeds, doing his own experiments, own projects I wont buy a puppy from him (it may be one of his experiments) only because he fought with DEFRA. It doesn't make him any more reliable breeder.



Maybe. Maybe not. There is a risk of getting cross instead, and it is too big for me, to take a chance. The risk is always, it just can be bigger or smaller.

If I am about to support someone I would like it would be a person with clear reputation, and motives... If there is any doubts about it, I will go to next one. Same with breeders, why I should support someone who may be in fact ie. hurting animals? If everyone would do the same, doubtful breeders soon would be left out of business, right? I am not saying every breeder in UK is bad. In fact I am sure many of them are wonderful breeders, but their CSV may come from not so wonderful kennels, or maybe they are not really aware of their CSV is in fact a cross. Risky, risky. No, thank you, I will not take chance.



??? I thought that person did it because of his love for breed, because he wanted these dogs to be in UK, make breed more popular in this country, not for thanks and applause. But I can be wrong... Otherwise why to demand it so many times on this forum?

Any way, this discussion is getting a little bit off topic.

you are new i spoke to ronnie winder on the phone, his advise to me is forget about the anti uk people on wolfdog.org, he said he only wants to know why everyone is so happy and glad that from 2012 it is easy to get Czech wolfdog into uk, he won his case in November 2008 and the czech wolfdog are legal in uk from that day, so why three years later is it still only him and 1 other breeder have imported any, the answer is easy they are alltalk and no action, they want lifted and laid,others to do the work, if they love the breed so much why has only these two people imported, ronnie has two new wolfdogs coming in before christmas, he has shown me how it is done and he has told lots of people how to do it,,,,,,but again no one imports, TO MUCH HASSLE,,,,,,,ronnie has asked me to ask you, he says you are from Poland he has great friend in Poland who breeds Czechoslovakian wolfdogs, he will help you get a wolfdog to uk anytime you want, he openly online via me invites you and some friends to his kennels as you live close to him, he will pay for all your transport and supply lunch for all, come and see his wolfdogs, email him at > Dont mail him, it's so good breeder that needs to create a fake user to post in this forum, as he knows everyone have tons f unreply questions which he will avoid to reply in quite fun and mad way< , when you read things on this site and all the money made from x breeding, why is it so very hard to get wolfdog from ronnie,,,,, big money breeder?? he has only bred 4 litters the first was in 2003,,,,,,,,so 1 litter every 2 years,,,,,,,,hardly a puppy farmer pumping out wolfdogs,,,,,,,so what have you to loose free transport,free lunch, meet a man who has bred dogs for over 38 years, has owned wolves, and high content wolfdogs for over 25yrs,,,,,and breeds the most beautiful wolfdogs you will ever see in uk or Europe,,,,,,if you come i will met you there for the benifit of one very suspicious person from USA, i am not ronnie winder and i was definately not born in the uk,,,,,,,

[yukidomari]

Is it OK to post breeder solicitation from WD-unlisted breeders too?

[Shadowlands]

Originally Posted by kalcon

ronnie has two new wolfdogs coming in before christmas, he has shown me how it is done and he has told lots of people how to do it,,,,,,but again no one imports, TO MUCH HASSLE,,,,,,,

Or maybe they were more interested in having a young puppy, to form a long and lasting bond of trust with, than to bring in an older dog and breed with it almost immediately??

Most reasonable people choose the breeder they do because they trust and respect that person and their motives and the way they protect the breed, NOT because they get a free day out, with lunch...

It seems to me that most of the breeders in the UK are responsible for the situation they are in - you(r beloved Ronnie) included. Cross breeding (often secretly) and not continuing the push for Kennel Club recognition have put the breed in a very bad position, not to mention the crossing with wolves and reintroducing them (again under cover) into Europe. Most on this forum want the breed to be a success the world over, but it seems the UK is maybe beyond help - and slagging off UK owners of dogs from other breeders is just petty and demeaning, so STOP IT!

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Shadowlands

you(r beloved Ronnie)

!!!

[hedeon]

Originally Posted by kalcon

...he openly online via me invites you and some friends to his kennels as you live close to him...

Well, say 'thank you' from me to mr Winder, for his generous offer. Don't want to be rude, but don't really see a point of such visit, as I don't think I need a help with importing puppy. I already took my decision.

[kalcon]

Originally Posted by hedeon

You can't imagine how happy I am. Once I felled in love with this breed, I have read more and more about them, just to find out there are very few pure CSV in UK. I said, it is not so bad, I can import one from homeland. Then I was told about 6 month quarantine. I was so ruined. Then Rona light up a little spark of hope, saying someone told her something is about to change

you are definately new to uk, there are over 60 pure bred CVS in uk, but they are not fci registered, but they are pure bred 100% guarenteed, dont bite your nose off to spite your face, you may need a uk breeder one day, dont forget all you people if it was not for two people fighting Defra you would have no wolfdogs in the uk, as all the help from Europe dried up after 2 years and the people had to finnish the job themselves,,not one thank you was every recieved from Europe......