World Dog Show 2011

hanninadina · 16-07-2011, 10:11

I am wondering about people like Uli, Eichhorn and some others. Dogshows work their whole "life" like they do now a days! There changed nothing! There were always "only" judges who judge the dogs. Some of them are special judges to a special breed but not necessarily they do the judgement during a world dog show or dog show!

And everybody who takes part or took part at a dog show knows that a dog mostly beahve different during each different show. Only these dogs who are well ring trained and have a great performer will do similar each show. But because of different halls, dogs, weather conditions, the mood of the owner, the mood of the dog handler, the mood of the dog himself etc. makes understandable that dogs perform different.

And a dog who is presented in a small special csw dog show with let us say only 45 dogs on a peaceful green outside a city - like our shows are done in germany - and in other countries too - will react and behave totally different to a dog during a world dog show with all his action and noise!

What I wanna say, it is of course a big stuning work that a dog, his owner and the dog handler do during for example a world dog show. And it does not matter if there is a special judge or not!!! Especially the csws are character strong animals and they can show their character in these shows.

It is very simple, if you do not take part the race it is your own problem, but do not claim that such results are bad and werth nothing. This is simply not true. I saw to many dogs which should be excellent standard csws (and other breeds) who were not able to do a good show in heavily circumstances! And what should this be a good looking csw in standard if he is not able to show his presense in a big show?

Best would be to present dogs in all shows! Only this matters and would be werth. Of course I know a lot of people who are afraid that their dogs are not able to manage even a normal judge. But what is it werth, if I only go to judges, who I like and where I know before how the result will be? It is nothing werth!!!

Dogs Shows, are like it was written above, only shows!!! They are entertainment for visitors, dog owners, dogs (sometimes, lol) and judges. These are not "God" shows.

If you look on car or motorcyle raceways you will find raceways which are in very good condition and some who are in bad condition. If you wanna be a true champion, you have to be good on all conditions! Very simple, and not only in these where you all know. That is werth nothing.

So all my congratulations to winners and(!) participiants on the WW 2011 in Paris. And what is a result werth without the other participiants? Nothing! And if there are more and more participiants the result is werth even more! As someone wrote, the second biggest number of paticipiants of csws every!!! That is a word!

Christian

Silvester · 16-07-2011, 10:23

Hey Christian !

Are you not able to see the direct contradictions in your posting ?

Or do you write without thinking about and especially without reading again after you did write something ?

Jennin Lauma · 16-07-2011, 19:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by hanninadina

Dogs Shows, are like it was written above, only shows!!! They are entertainment for visitors, dog owners, dogs (sometimes, lol) and judges. These are not "God" shows.

Christian

Hi Chris,
The problem is just that to most breeders these days the dogs shows represent the most important mesurement of a dog's quality. Titles, titles, titles... that's what they are after. Nothing else matters, or if something else matters even a little, it is still compromised to show success.
And we all know where this has lead. Just look at the dog breeds (or lines in certain breeds) bred only the showing purposes in mind... they are like flowers or design sofas; -for decorative purposes to people who want to collect nice things around them and show them off to others.
Many are unhealthy both physically and mentally. To me it only looks funny and sad at the same time to watch people dragging their dogs around a small ring to some other person to pick who he/she likes best, and to claim that this has something to do with breeding better quality animals.
This has absolutely nothing to do with breeding healthier companion animals, not to mention better working dogs!

I think the dogs were healthier and happier if we would go back in time before people decided to split dogs into these closed breed populations and start showing them around to see how well some person thinks they fit into that man made standard. We used to have perfect canines for different tasks to help us, to serve us, to keep us company. Now we have sad, sick animals suffering from hereditary defects and narrow gene pool.

I think the whole dog showing system should be changed into a totally different from what it is and has been. There should only be breed specialists judging the dogs, and only a certain amount of individuals per day per judge so that there would be enough time for each individual. And the evaluation should be more thorough; not only few rounds in the ring. More value on the behaviour atleast, and more movement.

Just my honest opinion...

r0d · 16-07-2011, 20:42

7 videos from the WDS are now available.

The link is still the same: http://follow.confrerie-lupoide.fr/w...w-2011-a-paris

wolfin · 17-07-2011, 14:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by r0d

7 videos from the WDS are now available.

The link is still the same: http://follow.confrerie-lupoide.fr/w...w-2011-a-paris

thanks you very much

r0d · 17-07-2011, 16:54

wolfin: you're welcome

Jennin Lauma: i said it a lot of time when i was at the WDS: dogs shows are not a place for... dogs

I don't like dog shows in a "dog point of view" but it was a good way for me to meet a lot of people in 2 days, people i speak with since a long time on the forum. At the WDS there was dogs and people i wanted to meet.
Of course i prefere seeing dogs runing in the woods.
I know some of the dogs that where at the WDS in a different environnement (i mean walking/hiking/playing/spending time with them).
I didn't recognize some of them when they where in front of the judge.
In that way i understand when you say "the whole dog showing system should be changed into a totally different from what it is".
Not just about how a dog is judged, but also how it spend his day at the show because is so sad...

One day i will have to bring my dog at a dog show in order for him to be confirmed (i'm not sure the word is correct but i mean they will say "this dog is ok for breeding" (or not...)) but i won't bring him there with a lot of joy knowing what a day for dogs in a show is...
But still... it will be the "best" way to show my dog to other breeders and to meet other breeders and others dogs (because i want to adopt one more

).
I'm not sure if i'm really clear

I don't like dog shows, but i haven't found a better way to meet so many people and dogs in only one or two days.
But for sure, the day i will bring my dog in a show i will hate shows a little more...

BTW i love your dog called Perro

Jennin Lauma · 18-07-2011, 00:10

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Originally Posted by r0d

but i haven't found a better way to meet so many people and dogs in only one or two days.

Yes, dog shows bring alot of people and dogs together under the same roof. But also as my opinion, it is not the best place to meet dogs nor people. It is one way for sure, yes. But not the best since it is hectic, noisy, and stressfull environment. People are busy and the dogs are nervous. --> Not the best atmosphere to have conversations. I would prefer gatherings/meetings instead, and also personal visits to breeders.
If there were nolonger dog shows like there is today, I'm sure people would have other kind of gatherings / action days.
And I think it would be so much better idea to have these non competetive evaluations where the dogs are not competing against each other for placements, but only evaluated by the judge/judges (why not more than one!).

Quote:

Originally Posted by r0d

BTW i love your dog called Perro

I love him too very much

16-07-2011, 20:42	#4
r0d Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,362	7 videos from the WDS are now available. The link is still the same: http://follow.confrerie-lupoide.fr/w...w-2011-a-paris __________________ Le blog de Follow -- La Confrérie Lupoïde -- chien-loup tchécoslovaque

17-07-2011, 16:54	#6
r0d Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,362	wolfin: you're welcome Jennin Lauma: i said it a lot of time when i was at the WDS: dogs shows are not a place for... dogs I don't like dog shows in a "dog point of view" but it was a good way for me to meet a lot of people in 2 days, people i speak with since a long time on the forum. At the WDS there was dogs and people i wanted to meet. Of course i prefere seeing dogs runing in the woods. I know some of the dogs that where at the WDS in a different environnement (i mean walking/hiking/playing/spending time with them). I didn't recognize some of them when they where in front of the judge. In that way i understand when you say "the whole dog showing system should be changed into a totally different from what it is". Not just about how a dog is judged, but also how it spend his day at the show because is so sad... One day i will have to bring my dog at a dog show in order for him to be confirmed (i'm not sure the word is correct but i mean they will say "this dog is ok for breeding" (or not...)) but i won't bring him there with a lot of joy knowing what a day for dogs in a show is... But still... it will be the "best" way to show my dog to other breeders and to meet other breeders and others dogs (because i want to adopt one more ). I'm not sure if i'm really clear I don't like dog shows, but i haven't found a better way to meet so many people and dogs in only one or two days. But for sure, the day i will bring my dog in a show i will hate shows a little more... BTW i love your dog called Perro __________________ Le blog de Follow -- La Confrérie Lupoïde -- chien-loup tchécoslovaque

16-07-2011, 10:11	#1
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	I am wondering about people like Uli, Eichhorn and some others. Dogshows work their whole "life" like they do now a days! There changed nothing! There were always "only" judges who judge the dogs. Some of them are special judges to a special breed but not necessarily they do the judgement during a world dog show or dog show! And everybody who takes part or took part at a dog show knows that a dog mostly beahve different during each different show. Only these dogs who are well ring trained and have a great performer will do similar each show. But because of different halls, dogs, weather conditions, the mood of the owner, the mood of the dog handler, the mood of the dog himself etc. makes understandable that dogs perform different. And a dog who is presented in a small special csw dog show with let us say only 45 dogs on a peaceful green outside a city - like our shows are done in germany - and in other countries too - will react and behave totally different to a dog during a world dog show with all his action and noise! What I wanna say, it is of course a big stuning work that a dog, his owner and the dog handler do during for example a world dog show. And it does not matter if there is a special judge or not!!! Especially the csws are character strong animals and they can show their character in these shows. It is very simple, if you do not take part the race it is your own problem, but do not claim that such results are bad and werth nothing. This is simply not true. I saw to many dogs which should be excellent standard csws (and other breeds) who were not able to do a good show in heavily circumstances! And what should this be a good looking csw in standard if he is not able to show his presense in a big show? Best would be to present dogs in all shows! Only this matters and would be werth. Of course I know a lot of people who are afraid that their dogs are not able to manage even a normal judge. But what is it werth, if I only go to judges, who I like and where I know before how the result will be? It is nothing werth!!! Dogs Shows, are like it was written above, only shows!!! They are entertainment for visitors, dog owners, dogs (sometimes, lol) and judges. These are not "God" shows. If you look on car or motorcyle raceways you will find raceways which are in very good condition and some who are in bad condition. If you wanna be a true champion, you have to be good on all conditions! Very simple, and not only in these where you all know. That is werth nothing. So all my congratulations to winners and(!) participiants on the WW 2011 in Paris. And what is a result werth without the other participiants? Nothing! And if there are more and more participiants the result is werth even more! As someone wrote, the second biggest number of paticipiants of csws every!!! That is a word! Christian

16-07-2011, 10:23	#2
Silvester Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 369	Hey Christian ! Are you not able to see the direct contradictions in your posting ? Or do you write without thinking about and especially without reading again after you did write something ?