Pollux needs a new home (Florida - USA)

[Gypsy Wolf]

No, I don't doubt my friend's ability to raise a good working dog - she does so regularly. The problem was that Pollux has some serious shyness issues, and that was a major factor in her decision to look for another home. A shy dog is not necessarily a good working prospect to do what she wanted to do with him.
Pollux lives with us, and we have been charged with finding and screening good homes for him - we have been involved in rescue of various breeds for the last 10+ years, so it is not difficult to screen for a good home.
Our initial hope was to place him in a performance/show home which would require he be kept intact. So far, the "Saarloos mix" accusations have not been confirmed, and I would still place him on a co-own contract, intact. Just because a dog is in a home intact does not mean he will be bred. I have had multiple dogs of my own - all intact - and very few have ever been bred, and I never have had an "oops" breeding in 21 years of dogs.
The other option is an active companion home - where he would be placed neutered. In both cases, the financial terms will be between the adoptor and the owner - I step out of it, even though he has been our financial burden for quite a while. I do not expect reimbursement.
And in both cases, keeping him local will also allow us to inspect the home and make sure that he settles in well and I can help them with socializing him.
I am done with being demonized for trying to do the right thing. It seems that he will not be going out to CA to the wrangler which is too bad, but I am sure we will find him an appropriate home. Thanks for all your help, support and understanding.

[Tassle]

If you were willing to send him out of state for the wrangler - why not for a different home? Why limit your options that way.

I have to say I am pleased he is not going to the wrangler from what you have said about his temperament and the intended use of him there.

[Gypsy Wolf]

Never said I was a saint nor better than anyone, though it seems a few of YOU seem to have that same attitude. Demonizing me for whatever you think I am doing wrong. Your judgmental behavior will some back to you at some point - Karma is a bitch. It seems you all are interested in being part of the problem and throwing blame rather than being part of the solution.
Getting angry at me for taking the dog in and trying to find him a better home is really stupid. As if I am to blame or had some way to prevent or control it.
You may not agree with my placement decisions - it is not your call. I am sure my husband reached out to all of you seeking help, NOT narrow-minded judgment and abuse from those who seem to be so perfect they can throw stones at those of us trying to do the right thing.
He will be placed locally so that I can personally do the home check, help him settle in and help his new family adjust as well.
Also, as I have a lot of friends throughout the community here, if the family decides to "dump" him without telling me, I will be notified immediately and can get him. I don't have the ability to do that if he is far away.
As I originally understood it, this forum was started with the intent to bring vlcak owners throughout the world together to share their love, knowledge, experience, etc., with the breed and to promote the breed responsibly. I didn't realize it was a forum for people to unfairly judge and criticize others to make themselves look/feel better. How is the aggressive behavior helpful at all? Makes you feel good? Such behavior is called "bullying" here and is indicative of mental illness issues. Perhaps take a long, good look in the mirror and try to figure out where the aggression is coming from, and what is the purpose of such behavior. You think it helps me? Or Pollux? Are you so "clean" in your life that you have the right to judge others?
I am really not interested in your answers - I think you need to look deep inside yourself and figure those out on your own. As it is, I am comfortable with finding Pollux a great home and I am over the judgemental crap. Not helpful and not healthy.

[Tassle]

I was just curious as to why you were so happy for him to go out of state for the wrangler, but not now.

Merely asking a question - but your reply above says a lot more about your choices than maybe you realise.

Whatever - I hope Pollux finds a home that deserves him.

[tupacs2legs]

Wtf!!! Yeah we all have mental health problems lol!!!!!!

If he turns out not to be a mix he shouldn't be bred from anyway! You have said time and time again he is like a saarloos in temp!

How would you stop an 'oops' mating anyway if he's not living with you?

Why u so up in arms? Oh yeah,everyone was suposed to agree with you and tell you how wonderfull you are!

Inflated ego... Wish you hadn't chose the breed csv to help boost it

[Nebulosa]

Have you ever thought that you're being unfair with this forum?
People tried to help you with open heart several times, you simply havent listened.
patience is something limited even to wolfdog owners and time is quite precious to waste, when people have the feeling that they lost time trying to help you, their patience will gone.

There are some topics talking about problems related to Crying Wolf kennel, Lupis ( our loved fake, as , even if massively criticized, sometimes he talks the truth) even warned you about what you were doing.
Seems like you havent warned your friend about it, or to search more about what dog she was importing, she simply played as expert and brought a problematic dog to your land, after see it was a problem she simply throwed him away like a toy in your hands, and it was your problem.

Some people here knows you tried to sell Pollux because they found your advertisement at internet, including me, at the same time you opened new topics here to show how Pollux was improving and how good dog he is/will be, which also gave the impression that these topics were done with the intention of show to people how wrong they were about Pollux due he being a Crying wolf and how your friend and you were right. (i'm not telling it was the intention, but it was interpreted in this way for some people, believe me)

After you write how experienced you are, how prepared you are, how good trainer you are, how prepared and experts people you know, you came with this topic saying that you want to find a new home for Pollux, and ended it telling you will give him to a "wangler"... and you keep telling that it would be a fine choice because you're the best and that's it, even when people is worried not only with the future of Pollux but also with the reflects of a possible exposure of the breed... how do you think people will react? Kiss you and thank you for all the wasted time for nothing, or for the possible problem you can add the breed?

Originally Posted by Lunas Mom

Our initial hope was to place him in a performance/show home which would require he be kept intact. So far, the "Saarloos mix" accusations have not been confirmed, and I would still place him on a co-own contract, intact. Just because a dog is in a home intact does not mean he will be bred.

Taking in the whole thread, I don't think the criticism is so much for placing him intact as it was placing him with THAT particular home, intact. He obviously wasn't meant to be shown if he went with the man in CA, and I have to also disagree with the idea that it would be fine to breed Pollux as part of a working film dog line. The whole point of organizations breeding their own lines of dogs for work (at least, in my opinion) is to get the best quality possible, by having complete control of breeding. If this is the case, and you're breeding dogs for film, why would you sabotage yourself by starting out with stock that is known to be shy? Regardless of whether the shyness was caused by breeding or by Pollux's early start in life, I personally wouldn't want to take that chance if temperament was going to be such a crucial factor in the dogs I hoped to produce. Honestly, if the man backed out of taking Pollux, I wouldn't be surprised if the shyness issues were part of the reason. Like I said, you'd want to give yourself the best start possible, just like starting any breeding program.

I know I already said it, but I really, really wish we were in a position to help you out with Pollux! For our next dog, I really wanted one I could get more involved with in regards to training goals, and working with him would be exactly the sort of thing I'd be looking for. I swear, if I weren't about to drop a baby in the next few weeks, you might have to deal with me bugging you about him more!

Regardless of what happens, good luck finding him a good home. There's a reason the wrangler didn't work out, there's obviously a better home for Pollux out there somewhere.