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CzW in need CzW looking for new homes: dogs with pedigrees but also Wolfdog-alike dogs from animal shelters.... |
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As I mentioned above, it isn't "willy nilly" breeding. You also have no idea what you are talking about, obviously, in regards to working theatrical animals. Most of my dogs have worked doing theatrical projects - my dogs have been in product demonstration videos as well as in soap operas, TV shows, etc. Having dogs trained to that level is not only daily work in training various behaviors, but keeping them in prime condition, and doing the actual work. Funny that the actual time they are in front of the cameras is miniscule in comparison to all the background work done to get them to that point. So, yes, it is work.
And I am more than happy to see Pollux go to that wrangler. He will blossom there. And as an aside, I do not have the ability to neuter him - that is his owner's decision - and personally I do not feel that neutering him would be beneficial to his temperament, either. For Pollux, I think a little bit of testosterone is a good thing. I am more concerned about his psychological welfare than an unfounded fear that he will be bred "willy-nilly." |
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Oh dear,do you think u have the only dogs used for that? My own csv is on books and I know exactly what training goes into it....and mine are all trained without torture devices.
Lol methinks this guy wouldn't buy a neutered dog and that's the real reason u won't neuter him first! Its more about fame it seems that and the dollar not the love of the breed,let alone the love for poor Pollux |
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I know you mentioned that you might like to breed from him. Has this guy offered you a pup if he breeds?
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I didn't say an active pet home was a lesser placement. I just said I am more than happy with Pollux going to this placement.
Again, his owner is the one whose business it is to neuter him or not. Personally I prefer intact animals, too, as I like to show. Doesn't mean I breed willy-nilly, or intend to. Never even had an "oops" breeding. I think the man is responsible enough to be able to handle managing an intact adult. While Pollux is gorgeous, I do not know how much of his behavior is genetic, so I would not want to breed to him necessarily or take a pup. I am more than happy with ONE vlcak, thank you very much! Again, we are placing Pollux to please him, not you. You all are being absolutely ridiculous, getting all up in arms and judgmental over something that has absolutely nothing to do with you, nor have you sacrificed your time and effort to raising this dog. We have. It's our call. If you don't like it, too bad. There are more important things in life for me to dedicate my time to. Obviously explaining our reasoning is useless since you have made up your mind that we are horrible for making the decision and I am no longer going to waste my time on this topic. Enjoy your glass houses. |
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Earlier it was stated that it was Pollux's true owners decision where he was rehomed to, not yours...now you're stating its your choice and its tough if people don't like it.
What is the truth here? Also, you're not the only people on the Earth to have taken on a dog, someone else didn't want and then had to put time and effort into said dog. It doesn't make you a Saint, you are not above the rest of us and you can sure as hell still do wrong. Taz
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I never said you said you are a Saint...just your posts in reference to taking Pollux on, read like you expect us to view you as such.
Also, I wasn't angry, more like incredulous. Now, I just really can't be bothered to continue to waste my time. Hopefully Pollux will get a home with understanding owners, who are able to love him for the dog he is, not the dog they want him to be, or for the money he could provide. Taz
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You can view me however you like - we took Pollux on to foster and place as we feel a commitment to the breed as well as really liking the dog himself. Despite skittishness, he really has a very unique, funny and sweet personality. As I mentioned before, we have been involved in fostering and placing rescue dogs of other breeds and have homed upwards of 16 dogs. I personally have always felt not only as a breeder, but as a steward of a breed, you owe it to asist in rescue efforts. For those who are so critical - do you rescue or just criticize those who do?
I am happy to report that Pollux has found his forever home, and that he (and we) met some interesting people who also generously gave of themselves for his sake. A firefighter was the first to want to adopt him - a local home and a perfect owner for Pollux... however, the firefighter's girlfriend was not such a fan, so Pollux was returned. The firefighter was so committed to Pollux, however, that until Pollux was adopted, the firefighter would come over on his days off and take Pollux out - to Starbuck's, to run around at the park, to visit people - great for Pollux to get out and socialize. His forever home found him just recently - a police officer and his wife - both of whom were totally committed to Pollux. The police officer grew up with a 3/4 Timber Wolf/GSD mix so Pollux's wolfy shyness didn't bother him at all. The wife was also not at all worried about any of the skittishness - and I made sure they both knew all of Pollux's "strange" habits/behaviors before they took him home for a "trial period"... The home is local - which is great as I was not only able to personally verify the home, but also return to give lessons to help him settle in. I am happy to say that Pollux fell in love with his new people and is VERY happy being an "only dog." He bonded with them very quickly - and they love him completely - quirky behaviors and all. He will be neutered and is a very-much-loved pet - climbing into their laps and kissing and just so happy to be somewhere where he is not expected to be anything other than the goofy sweet puppy he really is. |
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Well, we all can just keep our fingers crossed and hope that Pollux will not need to change his home again.
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its great that it sounds like Pollux has found his forever home, where he's wanted for who he is. Would be nice if the new owners would join and post updates on his progress.
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Hi Sara,
I'm really glad for Pollux that he finally find HIS home ![]() ![]() Best regards, |
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And she/they didn't think about this before they took him on. *Sighs*
Bloody hell, some people give up far to easy. Perhaps walking him using a head collar would have made it easier/possible for her to handle him, when he has one of those moments. Sorry to here it didn't work out...again. Poor Pollux all this going back and forth between people can't be helping him settle down. Taz
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It is so very sad.
I feel sorry for the fireman, he clearly loves Pollux and is prepared to take him qwerks and all. What a fool the girlfriend sounds, giving up on what seems to be a wonderful dog, simply because he got a bit over enthusiastic with his greeting. *Shakes head* some people. I really do wish I lived closer, he'd fit in well here. Hope some day soon he will find someone who is willing and able to give him the home he deserves. Taz
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Lol, indeed.
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Already mentioned the forum to them - hoping they will join. There are too few resources for vlcak folks here in the U.S.
They are hoping he will continue to make progress toward eliminating the shy/skittish behavior as he is socialized and they would like very much to do Therapy work with him, if he is comfortable with that. He is still quite young, so we'll see how it goes. We miss him and his quirky personality, too... his smile and his crazy burrow-under-the-covers thing... |
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No, I don't doubt my friend's ability to raise a good working dog - she does so regularly. The problem was that Pollux has some serious shyness issues, and that was a major factor in her decision to look for another home. A shy dog is not necessarily a good working prospect to do what she wanted to do with him.
Pollux lives with us, and we have been charged with finding and screening good homes for him - we have been involved in rescue of various breeds for the last 10+ years, so it is not difficult to screen for a good home. Our initial hope was to place him in a performance/show home which would require he be kept intact. So far, the "Saarloos mix" accusations have not been confirmed, and I would still place him on a co-own contract, intact. Just because a dog is in a home intact does not mean he will be bred. I have had multiple dogs of my own - all intact - and very few have ever been bred, and I never have had an "oops" breeding in 21 years of dogs. The other option is an active companion home - where he would be placed neutered. In both cases, the financial terms will be between the adoptor and the owner - I step out of it, even though he has been our financial burden for quite a while. I do not expect reimbursement. And in both cases, keeping him local will also allow us to inspect the home and make sure that he settles in well and I can help them with socializing him. I am done with being demonized for trying to do the right thing. It seems that he will not be going out to CA to the wrangler which is too bad, but I am sure we will find him an appropriate home. Thanks for all your help, support and understanding. |
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If you were willing to send him out of state for the wrangler - why not for a different home? Why limit your options that way.
I have to say I am pleased he is not going to the wrangler from what you have said about his temperament and the intended use of him there. |
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Never said I was a saint nor better than anyone, though it seems a few of YOU seem to have that same attitude. Demonizing me for whatever you think I am doing wrong. Your judgmental behavior will some back to you at some point - Karma is a bitch. It seems you all are interested in being part of the problem and throwing blame rather than being part of the solution.
Getting angry at me for taking the dog in and trying to find him a better home is really stupid. As if I am to blame or had some way to prevent or control it. You may not agree with my placement decisions - it is not your call. I am sure my husband reached out to all of you seeking help, NOT narrow-minded judgment and abuse from those who seem to be so perfect they can throw stones at those of us trying to do the right thing. He will be placed locally so that I can personally do the home check, help him settle in and help his new family adjust as well. Also, as I have a lot of friends throughout the community here, if the family decides to "dump" him without telling me, I will be notified immediately and can get him. I don't have the ability to do that if he is far away. As I originally understood it, this forum was started with the intent to bring vlcak owners throughout the world together to share their love, knowledge, experience, etc., with the breed and to promote the breed responsibly. I didn't realize it was a forum for people to unfairly judge and criticize others to make themselves look/feel better. How is the aggressive behavior helpful at all? Makes you feel good? Such behavior is called "bullying" here and is indicative of mental illness issues. Perhaps take a long, good look in the mirror and try to figure out where the aggression is coming from, and what is the purpose of such behavior. You think it helps me? Or Pollux? Are you so "clean" in your life that you have the right to judge others? I am really not interested in your answers - I think you need to look deep inside yourself and figure those out on your own. As it is, I am comfortable with finding Pollux a great home and I am over the judgemental crap. Not helpful and not healthy. |
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