Mixes in 'La Louve Blanche' kennel?

elf · 06-06-2011, 08:52

The two dogs bellow from "de la Louve Blanche" kennel have a Coefficient of Relationship of 49%, this is very huge from genetical POV... as you can see

Jennin Lauma · 09-06-2011, 02:35

What is the name of the blond dog in the upper picture?
Is it in the Databace?

EDIT: OK, I found it myself

http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/11409

This one is also a half sibling then..?

http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/10636

elf · 09-06-2011, 14:52

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Originally Posted by Jennin Lauma

This one is also a half sibling then..?

Exactly.
We have tons of "weird" things from this "line"...

yukidomari · 13-06-2011, 21:57

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Originally Posted by elf

The two dogs bellow from "de la Louve Blanche" kennel have a Coefficient of Relationship of 49%, this is very huge from genetical POV... as you can see

In other words these two dogs are supposedly almost as closely related as half siblings, huh?

saschia · 14-06-2011, 10:09

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Originally Posted by yukidomari

In other words these two dogs are supposedly almost as closely related as half siblings, huh?

Wouldn't that be full siblings? As full siblings can share from 0 to 100 DNA, than the average is 50% for full siblings. Half-sibling can share maximum 50% DNA, in average 25%.

admin · 14-06-2011, 12:30

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Originally Posted by elf

The two dogs bellow from "de la Louve Blanche" kennel have a Coefficient of Relationship of 49%, this is very huge from genetical POV... as you can see

No wonder about the anomalies by this kennel. If someone is mixing American Wolfdogs he will take exactly such "strange" results which are the best prove for the cheated pedigrees.

admin · 14-06-2011, 12:32

As it seems some people in France are incredibly interested to hide the truth and avoid the OFFICIAL DNA parentage tests I post the same post as I published on the French forum.

I know that the title is hard but it is also true... SAD but true. This time it is 100% serious - it do not base on the "different look on the photos" but on the facts. First time I received an email about it I ignored it - I didn't believe that somebody would be so crazy to break the FCI rules and cheat the pedigrees. But now the proves are in the front of your eyes.

I was explaining why so many people from different countries were complaining to put the words MIX next to the all "wolfish" and "untypical" dogs. I listed all their arguments like untypical look, bodies, heads, masks, size, expressions... Even people who were "simple owners" knew that something is "stinking". Now we have people who are prepared to sign their words ON A PAPER when your kennel club will ask for witnesses.

As you for sure know in Europe there are several breeders and owners of American Wolfdogs (usually Malamute/Husky/German Shepherds/Tundra Wolf mixes). And exactly such wolfdogs were used to make the "wolfish" looking Wolfdogs in France. AND exactly it is the reason why there are more and more TOTALLY UNTYPICAL Wolfdogs born in your country: First generations (CsW x American Wolfdog) are pretty nice - not typical for our breed but nice. But in the next generation the genes divide and make in many cases such totally untypical GSD-Husky looking dogs like the half-sister of Demoniak. Simply said: the nice wolfish dogs and the strange mixes are nothing also as TOTAL MUTTS: CsW-Husky-Malamute-Germans Shepherd-Tundra Wolf Mixes... Or shorter said: THEY ARE NOT CZECHOSLOVAKIAN WOLFDOGS.

But back to the facts:

- C-litter de la Louve Blanche
We have wittiness and the confirmation of the American Wolfdog owner that the French breeder covered his female with his stud dog Unca Southern Breeze . We do not know if the all litter are mixes or the female Ossa CRying Wolf was covered by two males - Merlin AND Unca. Or the whole litter comes from Unca. But FOR 100% Ckinay and C'Pouschka are the children of the mentioned American Wolfdog:

- D-litter de la Louve Blanche
We know that the male Volos Crying Wolf covered an American Wolfdog female. The owner of the female is unreachable - no wonder: he is the friend of the French breeder. What we do not know if it apply to the whole litter or only some puppies come from the American Wolfdog.

This is not everything as there is a huge possiblity (and because there are more dogs comming from this kennel showing untypical characterustics) that there are more litters cheated like this. And more dogs can have fake parents in the pedigree.

What is our goal: WE ASK THE FRENCH BREEDERS TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM AND THE FRENCH KENNEL CLUB TO MAKE FINALLY THE DNA TESTS.
We suggest to test CPouschka as first (because her parents are still alive - at least we hope they will not "disappear" or "die" after this post) - we know for 100% that she is daughter of Unca and the DNA test will prove it. If you need any written statement of someone who will confirm it - we have such people. I hope it will convince you that very bad things are going on here.

furyos · 14-06-2011, 16:47

congratulations

>> new version movie in kennel lalouve blanche .. after saarloos/nordik dog and pure wolf .... NOW american wolfdog in blood line ... when chihuahua???>>> WAOUUUUUUUUUUUUUU i love the anonumous admin >>> colombo have a lot of work to do the same ... just ONE WORD ... thanks for your NICE PUBLICITY ,,, 3 reservation today for my next litter after your topic in france and here .. welcom dear admin ...

your franky for your life....take care and best regards from essaouirra (maroco)

admin · 14-06-2011, 17:11

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Originally Posted by furyos

congratulations

>> new version movie in kennel lalouve blanche .. after saarloos/nordik dog and pure wolf .... NOW american wolfdog in blood line ... when chihuahua???>>> WAOUUUUUUUUUUUUUU i love the anonumous admin >>> colombo have a lot of work to do the same ... just ONE WORD ... thanks for your NICE PUBLICITY ,,, 3 reservation today for my next litter after your topic in france and here .. welcom dear admin ...

your franky for your life....take care and best regards from essaouirra (maroco)

No problem. Now we wait for the official DNA tests. There is no doubt that the dogs are mixes. It will be sad for the new owners to see "Saarloos alike MIX" in the near future by their dogs.

For the buyers: they really do not know that such mixes they can easy get for a much lower price?

admin · 14-06-2011, 17:21

Anyway: do you really think that CsW breeders are idiots who can be cheated? Do you think that there is even one experienced breeder who will believe it that THIS DOG is a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog:

Ooooppps - I found by the kennel of American Wolfdogs exactly almost the same looking dog:

GalomyOak · 15-06-2011, 12:08

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Originally Posted by Admin

Anyway: do you really think that CsW breeders are idiots who can be cheated? Do you think that there is even one experienced breeder who will believe it that THIS DOG is a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog:

Ooooppps - I found by the kennel of American Wolfdogs exactly almost the same looking dog:

That's "Hollywood"...if you look very closely, you will see "Hollywood" is in a pack with "Puff"...very similar in coloration to Erha.

http://wolfhybrids.com/Ourgals.htm
http://wolfhybrids.com/Ourguys.htm

But don't forget, we now have Southern Breeze Europe (google gave me warning that this site might harm your computer - I have a Mac, so had no problems, but please use caution...)
www.southernbreeze-europe.com/

furyos · 14-06-2011, 17:25

Really mister or miss president ADMIN

>> you think really we want do or try to do any collaboration with nazi like YOU ???? sorry i m free and nobody scare me >>> Y DON T CARE ABOUT YOU OR YOUR POLITIK of dicrimination ... because i know exactly my work and your jalousy is a real problem but just FOR YOU ... have a nice week darling >> and ENORMOUS KISSES

... ( Ps / you have to live beetween 1914 and 1945 this is YOUR PLACE )

admin · 14-06-2011, 17:52

Good - so I see you will have nothing against asking the SCC to make OFFICIAL commission which will clear this case and that you will support our tries to test the parentage of your dogs starting with CPouchka. We count with your cooperation when they will try to take the blood of the both "parents" of this female. And help by taking the blood of the questioned dogs.

Good.

tupacs2legs · 14-06-2011, 20:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by furyos

Really mister or miss president ADMIN

>> you think really we want do or try to do any collaboration with nazi like YOU ???? sorry i m free and nobody scare me >>> Y DON T CARE ABOUT YOU OR YOUR POLITIK of dicrimination ... because i know exactly my work and your jalousy is a real problem but just FOR YOU ... have a nice week darling >> and ENORMOUS KISSES

... ( Ps / you have to live beetween 1914 and 1945 this is YOUR PLACE )

i dont understand... if it is not true, then why not prove it wrong and clear the kennel name?

wolfin · 14-06-2011, 21:38

dear Frank I sale to You one CSV female - and I hope You mate she ( with all DM HD ED tests) with PURE CSV if NOT - I please admin put all shes puppy in MIX category when they not be pure csv

Do You think realy and I am stupid? and not saw a BIG diferent in dogs?
Maybe You make with this mixes a monkey bisnes, but believe - not all people believe in this nice fairytale who You and Your pack want a tale.

Mikael · 15-06-2011, 22:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by furyos

because i know exactly my work and your jalousy is a real problem but just FOR YOU...

So just a question to you Mr Frank, if you know your work and are sure your dogs are pure, way not just do the DNA test and slam it up the admins face

???

Best regards / Mikael

06-06-2011, 08:52	#1
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	The two dogs bellow from "de la Louve Blanche" kennel have a Coefficient of Relationship of 49%, this is very huge from genetical POV... as you can see __________________ http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...m/csvstat.html

09-06-2011, 02:35	#2
Jennin Lauma Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Finland Posts: 66	What is the name of the blond dog in the upper picture? Is it in the Databace? EDIT: OK, I found it myself http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/11409 This one is also a half sibling then..? http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/10636 __________________ -Jenni- http://jenninlauma.weebly.com Last edited by Jennin Lauma; 09-06-2011 at 02:46. Reason: Found what I was looking for... and more :)

14-06-2011, 16:47	#8
furyos Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 729	congratulations >> new version movie in kennel lalouve blanche .. after saarloos/nordik dog and pure wolf .... NOW american wolfdog in blood line ... when chihuahua???>>> WAOUUUUUUUUUUUUUU i love the anonumous admin >>> colombo have a lot of work to do the same ... just ONE WORD ... thanks for your NICE PUBLICITY ,,, 3 reservation today for my next litter after your topic in france and here .. welcom dear admin ... your franky for your life....take care and best regards from essaouirra (maroco) Last edited by furyos; 14-06-2011 at 16:49.

14-06-2011, 17:25	#12
furyos Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 729	Really mister or miss president ADMIN>> you think really we want do or try to do any collaboration with nazi like YOU ???? sorry i m free and nobody scare me >>> Y DON T CARE ABOUT YOU OR YOUR POLITIK of dicrimination ... because i know exactly my work and your jalousy is a real problem but just FOR YOU ... have a nice week darling >> and ENORMOUS KISSES ... ( Ps / you have to live beetween 1914 and 1945 this is YOUR PLACE )

14-06-2011, 21:38	#15
wolfin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Where the wolf lives Posts: 6,095	dear Frank I sale to You one CSV female - and I hope You mate she ( with all DM HD ED tests) with PURE CSV if NOT - I please admin put all shes puppy in MIX category when they not be pure csv Do You think realy and I am stupid? and not saw a BIG diferent in dogs? Maybe You make with this mixes a monkey bisnes, but believe - not all people believe in this nice fairytale who You and Your pack want a tale. __________________

14-06-2011, 12:32	#7
admin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 583	As it seems some people in France are incredibly interested to hide the truth and avoid the OFFICIAL DNA parentage tests I post the same post as I published on the French forum. I know that the title is hard but it is also true... SAD but true. This time it is 100% serious - it do not base on the "different look on the photos" but on the facts. First time I received an email about it I ignored it - I didn't believe that somebody would be so crazy to break the FCI rules and cheat the pedigrees. But now the proves are in the front of your eyes. I was explaining why so many people from different countries were complaining to put the words MIX next to the all "wolfish" and "untypical" dogs. I listed all their arguments like untypical look, bodies, heads, masks, size, expressions... Even people who were "simple owners" knew that something is "stinking". Now we have people who are prepared to sign their words ON A PAPER when your kennel club will ask for witnesses. As you for sure know in Europe there are several breeders and owners of American Wolfdogs (usually Malamute/Husky/German Shepherds/Tundra Wolf mixes). And exactly such wolfdogs were used to make the "wolfish" looking Wolfdogs in France. AND exactly it is the reason why there are more and more TOTALLY UNTYPICAL Wolfdogs born in your country: First generations (CsW x American Wolfdog) are pretty nice - not typical for our breed but nice. But in the next generation the genes divide and make in many cases such totally untypical GSD-Husky looking dogs like the half-sister of Demoniak. Simply said: the nice wolfish dogs and the strange mixes are nothing also as TOTAL MUTTS: CsW-Husky-Malamute-Germans Shepherd-Tundra Wolf Mixes... Or shorter said: THEY ARE NOT CZECHOSLOVAKIAN WOLFDOGS. But back to the facts: - C-litter de la Louve Blanche We have wittiness and the confirmation of the American Wolfdog owner that the French breeder covered his female with his stud dog Unca Southern Breeze . We do not know if the all litter are mixes or the female Ossa CRying Wolf was covered by two males - Merlin AND Unca. Or the whole litter comes from Unca. But FOR 100% Ckinay and C'Pouschka are the children of the mentioned American Wolfdog: - D-litter de la Louve Blanche We know that the male Volos Crying Wolf covered an American Wolfdog female. The owner of the female is unreachable - no wonder: he is the friend of the French breeder. What we do not know if it apply to the whole litter or only some puppies come from the American Wolfdog. This is not everything as there is a huge possiblity (and because there are more dogs comming from this kennel showing untypical characterustics) that there are more litters cheated like this. And more dogs can have fake parents in the pedigree. What is our goal: WE ASK THE FRENCH BREEDERS TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM AND THE FRENCH KENNEL CLUB TO MAKE FINALLY THE DNA TESTS. We suggest to test CPouschka as first (because her parents are still alive - at least we hope they will not "disappear" or "die" after this post) - we know for 100% that she is daughter of Unca and the DNA test will prove it. If you need any written statement of someone who will confirm it - we have such people. I hope it will convince you that very bad things are going on here.

14-06-2011, 17:21	#10
admin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 583	Anyway: do you really think that CsW breeders are idiots who can be cheated? Do you think that there is even one experienced breeder who will believe it that THIS DOG is a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog: Ooooppps - I found by the kennel of American Wolfdogs exactly almost the same looking dog:

14-06-2011, 17:52	#13
admin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 583	Good - so I see you will have nothing against asking the SCC to make OFFICIAL commission which will clear this case and that you will support our tries to test the parentage of your dogs starting with CPouchka. We count with your cooperation when they will try to take the blood of the both "parents" of this female. And help by taking the blood of the questioned dogs. Good.