Russian Army Wolfdog Projekt

Rona · 21-05-2011, 19:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikael

But I´m happy my CsV do not do it

Don't write it loudly....

draggar · 21-05-2011, 21:37

http://perm.canislupus.ru/

Google Chrome does an OK job translating.

Mikael · 21-05-2011, 23:06

Aaaa thank Ed

So they started before 1999 and are now at generation F3, if I understand it all right...

Looks like they want there own Vlcak´s, but are to proved to buy from CZ or SL

But as it looks to me, are own amateur trained CsV are both better at protection and search than what we can see these military dogs do, after military training...
And CsV are lighter and maybe also faster...

Best regards / Mikael

Silvester · 22-05-2011, 09:21

Hey Mikael, how are you ?

Originally posted by Mikael:
"But as it looks to me, are own amateur trained CsV are both better at protection and search than what we can see these military dogs do, after military training...
And CsV are lighter and maybe also faster..."

I think it´s not surprising what you are telling - just because of longer breeding and may be more strict selection what was made in the first time with CsV.
( You said before that russian "Vlcak" have now about F3 generation.)

And you don´t know how F3 generation of CsV did behave - like Rep may be. You can only compare TODAYS CsV with these russian animals.

It´s easy do understand that the longer and the more strict the selection is, the better results for ability to training you will get.

Have a nice sunday !

Greetings, Uli alias Silvester

Silvester · 22-05-2011, 10:26

Ok, I just had a look in my little "archiv" in my pc - and i found this video

( only in German language , sorry)

http://www.spiegel.de/video/video-33905.html

Hope it´s interesting for people here on English forum too.

Morian · 22-05-2011, 13:49

ehh... some info from russia

i know some people working there in perm with these hybrids. and i can say for sure that all you see is just pr and nothing more. they only "suck" money from government. these animals don't work, only 2 or 3 (you can see on their official site all, but not working exams, yes, only stories about their perfect work). others have problems with agression and shyness. we only meet some cute photos and dithyrambs in the internet. nothing more. i personally tried to invite them to some working competition after they put doses of shit on csv on their forums. nothing. and it happens all the time, the only answer is "this is very serous military project, we are restricted to travel". one more thing. for the simple reason that they do not work, but eat money from the state, they report that their experiment is aimed at fixation of gene... of loyalty to human (yes, they found this gene, haha). so i think further comments are not required

may be you don't know, we have many wolves here, very many people which want to make money from nothing and even more stupids ready to spend they money for such thngs. that's why we have not only "volkosobs" in perm, but also wolends (laika x wolf) which cost more than csv, russian wolfhounds (canadian x malamute)... by the way, these wolfdounds already killed a child in petersburg...

Morian · 22-05-2011, 13:54

ah, how i could forget it. on of their points is - volkosobs live until 30 years. yes, they say it seriously. let's wait, 25 years later we'll see who was right

soul · 21-03-2012, 12:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morian

ehh... some info from russia

i know some people working there in perm with these hybrids. and i can say for sure that all you see is just pr and nothing more. they only "suck" money from government. these animals don't work, only 2 or 3 (you can see on their official site all, but not working exams, yes, only stories about their perfect work). others have problems with agression and shyness. we only meet some cute photos and dithyrambs in the internet. nothing more. i personally tried to invite them to some working competition after they put doses of shit on csv on their forums. nothing. and it happens all the time, the only answer is "this is very serous military project, we are restricted to travel". one more thing. for the simple reason that they do not work, but eat money from the state, they report that their experiment is aimed at fixation of gene... of loyalty to human (yes, they found this gene, haha). so i think further comments are not required

may be you don't know, we have many wolves here, very many people which want to make money from nothing and even more stupids ready to spend they money for such thngs. that's why we have not only "volkosobs" in perm, but also wolends (laika x wolf) which cost more than csv, russian wolfhounds (canadian x malamute)... by the way, these wolfdounds already killed a child in petersburg...

russian wolfhounds (canadian x malamute)... by the way, these wolfdounds already killed a child in petersburg...

when was this?

21-05-2011, 21:37	#2
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21-05-2011, 23:06	#3
Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	Aaaa thank Ed So they started before 1999 and are now at generation F3, if I understand it all right... Looks like they want there own Vlcak´s, but are to proved to buy from CZ or SL But as it looks to me, are own amateur trained CsV are both better at protection and search than what we can see these military dogs do, after military training... And CsV are lighter and maybe also faster... Best regards / Mikael __________________ _________________________________________________ Hronec, Rasty, Zilja Kennel, Wolfdog of Sweden* http://kennelwolfdogofsweden.vpsite.se/Home.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wolfdo...53067971392916 Last edited by Mikael; 21-05-2011 at 23:36.

22-05-2011, 13:49	#6
Morian Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USSR Posts: 2,047	ehh... some info from russia i know some people working there in perm with these hybrids. and i can say for sure that all you see is just pr and nothing more. they only "suck" money from government. these animals don't work, only 2 or 3 (you can see on their official site all, but not working exams, yes, only stories about their perfect work). others have problems with agression and shyness. we only meet some cute photos and dithyrambs in the internet. nothing more. i personally tried to invite them to some working competition after they put doses of shit on csv on their forums. nothing. and it happens all the time, the only answer is "this is very serous military project, we are restricted to travel". one more thing. for the simple reason that they do not work, but eat money from the state, they report that their experiment is aimed at fixation of gene... of loyalty to human (yes, they found this gene, haha). so i think further comments are not required may be you don't know, we have many wolves here, very many people which want to make money from nothing and even more stupids ready to spend they money for such thngs. that's why we have not only "volkosobs" in perm, but also wolends (laika x wolf) which cost more than csv, russian wolfhounds (canadian x malamute)... by the way, these wolfdounds already killed a child in petersburg... __________________ Last edited by Morian; 22-05-2011 at 13:51.

22-05-2011, 13:54	#7
Morian Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USSR Posts: 2,047	ah, how i could forget it. on of their points is - volkosobs live until 30 years. yes, they say it seriously. let's wait, 25 years later we'll see who was right __________________

22-05-2011, 09:21	#4
Silvester Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 369	Hey Mikael, how are you ? Originally posted by Mikael: "But as it looks to me, are own amateur trained CsV are both better at protection and search than what we can see these military dogs do, after military training... And CsV are lighter and maybe also faster..." I think it´s not surprising what you are telling - just because of longer breeding and may be more strict selection what was made in the first time with CsV. ( You said before that russian "Vlcak" have now about F3 generation.) And you don´t know how F3 generation of CsV did behave - like Rep may be. You can only compare TODAYS CsV with these russian animals. It´s easy do understand that the longer and the more strict the selection is, the better results for ability to training you will get. Have a nice sunday ! Greetings, Uli alias Silvester

22-05-2011, 10:26	#5
Silvester Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 369	Ok, I just had a look in my little "archiv" in my pc - and i found this video ( only in German language , sorry) http://www.spiegel.de/video/video-33905.html Hope it´s interesting for people here on English forum too.