**ANNOUNCEMENT** Introducing the UCSVC

Mikael · 09-03-2011, 19:11

Good Work Ed

Best regards / Mikael

Hanka · 09-03-2011, 20:23

Hi, can I correct mistake? Your club has bad name. You wrote czechoslovakian vlcak. It sound very funny, because czechoslovakian is english word and vlcak is almost czech word. Right name is czechoslovakian wolfdog in your language or československý vlčák in czech language or československý vlčiak in slovakian language. Vlcak is bad word too. Your name is hybrid between both languages.
But- congratulation to creating club. It is great.

draggar · 09-03-2011, 20:37

Hey Hanka - in the USA the word "wolfdog" has a very bad reputation - people will think "wolf hybrid" if they hear wolfdog plus many towns and cities will ban the dog solely on the name. We're trying to eliminate a problem and a bad reputation before it even starts. There is a rather negative resentment towards wolf-hybrids here in the USA (outside of the wolfdog and hybrid communities).

As for vlcak vs. vlčák - at least 99.999% of Americans won't even think about the č and á letters so Vlcak is an "Americanized" version of the name. Last I checked, it translated to "alsatian", also (are my translations wrong?).

Personally I would love československý vlčák but no one would type that in, look for it, or maybe even take us seriously.

As for vlcak being a "bad word" - we have a popular toothpaste here called "Colgate". Yet in Spanish, colgaté literally means "go hang yourself" (like telling someone very rudely to go away). Bad words (and gestures) in one culture can have a completely different meaning in another. Besides, I'm training people to pronounce it correctly, "VL-chuck" (yes, I'm trying to learn Czech - but the Art of War got in between that book and myself).

Hanka · 09-03-2011, 20:40

Yes, I know about reputation of word wolfdog in US, it is a pitty. I only wont to write you about this "half name" of your club

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Mikael · 09-03-2011, 22:16

The official name in Sweden, by Swedish Kennel Club is "Ceskoslovenský Vlcak" As they do not want people to understand what Vlcak realy means

Therefor "Wolfdog" in Swedish = Varghund was not a OK name

I think "Czechoslovakian vlcak" is a very good name to use in the US,
if "Wolfdog" was used, there would be problems for sure...

Best regards / Mikael

Nebelwölfe · 09-03-2011, 22:42

Congratulations! Good working!

saschia · 09-03-2011, 23:34

I hope the club will be successful and work for the benefit of the breed and it's enthusiasts... I keep my fingers crossed for you.

And I think using the word vlcak is OK, lot of us use different words that have origin in English, why could you not use more than one that originates in Czech? I hope the word Vlcak will get as popular and positive as Robot ;o)

Offtopic: By the way, the author of the word Robot, Karel Capek, wrote a beautiful children's story Dasenka - the life of a puppy. Dasenka is not a vlcak puppy, but a foxterier, but the story could almost be about vlcaks, if vlcak puppies would be willing to listen to stories about other breeds too ;o)

09-03-2011, 19:11	#1
Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	Good Work Ed Best regards / Mikael __________________ _________________________________________________ Hronec, Rasty, Zilja Kennel, Wolfdog of Sweden* http://kennelwolfdogofsweden.vpsite.se/Home.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wolfdo...53067971392916

09-03-2011, 20:37	#3
draggar Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 370	Hey Hanka - in the USA the word "wolfdog" has a very bad reputation - people will think "wolf hybrid" if they hear wolfdog plus many towns and cities will ban the dog solely on the name. We're trying to eliminate a problem and a bad reputation before it even starts. There is a rather negative resentment towards wolf-hybrids here in the USA (outside of the wolfdog and hybrid communities). As for vlcak vs. vlčák - at least 99.999% of Americans won't even think about the č and á letters so Vlcak is an "Americanized" version of the name. Last I checked, it translated to "alsatian", also (are my translations wrong?). Personally I would love československý vlčák but no one would type that in, look for it, or maybe even take us seriously. As for vlcak being a "bad word" - we have a popular toothpaste here called "Colgate". Yet in Spanish, colgaté literally means "go hang yourself" (like telling someone very rudely to go away). Bad words (and gestures) in one culture can have a completely different meaning in another. Besides, I'm training people to pronounce it correctly, "VL-chuck" (yes, I'm trying to learn Czech - but the Art of War got in between that book and myself). __________________ Fred Lanting's Official Site Dog Actors

09-03-2011, 22:16	#5
Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	The official name in Sweden, by Swedish Kennel Club is "Ceskoslovenský Vlcak" As they do not want people to understand what Vlcak realy means Therefor "Wolfdog" in Swedish = Varghund was not a OK name I think "Czechoslovakian vlcak" is a very good name to use in the US, if "Wolfdog" was used, there would be problems for sure... Best regards / Mikael __________________ _________________________________________________ Hronec, Rasty, Zilja Kennel, Wolfdog of Sweden* http://kennelwolfdogofsweden.vpsite.se/Home.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wolfdo...53067971392916

09-03-2011, 22:42	#6
Nebelwölfe Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: am Hochrhein Posts: 771	Congratulations! Good working! __________________ Gruss, Petra

09-03-2011, 23:34	#7
saschia Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bratislava Posts: 936	I hope the club will be successful and work for the benefit of the breed and it's enthusiasts... I keep my fingers crossed for you. And I think using the word vlcak is OK, lot of us use different words that have origin in English, why could you not use more than one that originates in Czech? I hope the word Vlcak will get as popular and positive as Robot ;o) Offtopic: By the way, the author of the word Robot, Karel Capek, wrote a beautiful children's story Dasenka - the life of a puppy. Dasenka is not a vlcak puppy, but a foxterier, but the story could almost be about vlcaks, if vlcak puppies would be willing to listen to stories about other breeds too ;o) __________________ Saschia (Sasa Zahradnikova) http://www.chiens-loup-tchecoslovaqu...ei-et-damon.ws

09-03-2011, 20:23	#2
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Hi, can I correct mistake? Your club has bad name. You wrote czechoslovakian vlcak. It sound very funny, because czechoslovakian is english word and vlcak is almost czech word. Right name is czechoslovakian wolfdog in your language or československý vlčák in czech language or československý vlčiak in slovakian language. Vlcak is bad word too. Your name is hybrid between both languages. But- congratulation to creating club. It is great.

09-03-2011, 20:40	#4
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Yes, I know about reputation of word wolfdog in US, it is a pitty. I only wont to write you about this "half name" of your club .