Share your stories about your demon puppy.. :)

Fede86 · 30-01-2011, 15:03

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Originally Posted by saschia

My worst terrible memory was when Frei had her first litter, one of the bitches stayed longer with us as she was sick, so she was around 3,5 months when we went for a walk near a river that was flooded a couple of weaks back. No problem, until Frei found a dead fish, that was slowly getting to the stage when it would be able to crawl away ;o) Of course, she called the young one over, to "tech her interesting stuff", and showed her how to roll in it. Small one was a quick learner, so she did well, and Frei like a good mother decided that Brui can eat the fish as a treat. We caught them just then. It took two people to get the fish out of Brui's mouth - one keeping it open, the other one pulling the fish literally out of her throat. After washing my hands three times I still couldn't touch any food as they were still smelly - and I wasn't the one touching the fish. And Brui was sleeping in my room = in my bed! Fortunately, I found out that the dead fish smell washed out using low-pH soap, and the wet-dog smell was roses in comparison. So after a half-our in a shower this story turned the funny kind...

Mine rolled on a half decomposed dolphin washed up on the shore

I whish I had known the smell goes away with low pH soap... we had to live with it for days

saschia · 30-01-2011, 15:14

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Originally Posted by Fede86

I whish I had known the smell goes away with low pH soap... we had to live with it for days

That's why I tell everybody. It occurred to me, as usually to get rid of the strong fish smell in cooking, lemon juice is used. So what is important in lemon juice? The smell - nice but doesn't override the fish smell - and the citric, ascorbic and other acids, which equals to low pH. But of course you cannot bath a pup in lemon juice, or vinegar, or any other household acid... So in desperation I grabbed my "woman soap" with pH 4.6 and it worked!

I never use dog shampoo, as the wolfdog coat is self-cleaning, but for the de-smelling I always keep the women's soap with me... ;o) It works on fish as well as well as manure, as I learned the hard way ;o)

Rona · 30-01-2011, 15:16

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Originally Posted by Fede86

Mine rolled on a half decomposed dolphin washed up on the shore

I whish I had known the smell goes away with low pH soap... we had to live with it for days

For washing my dog after her "natural perfume baths"

I use fragrance-free 3,5 pH intimate hygiene wash

It's much more effective than ordinary soap

I doubled your post Sashia

saschia · 30-01-2011, 17:58

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Originally Posted by Rona

It's much more effective than ordinary soap

:lol

That's because ordinary soap has a "neutral pH of 7.3" (not neutral of course, only relative to the skin maybe), or even more basic. The better the soap is for normal washing, the more inefficient it is against the natural perfumes our lieblings adore.

yukidomari · 07-02-2011, 21:50

Oh my, I hadn't seen all the posts here!!!

Thanks for the low pH soap tips! I've caught the puppy trying to roll in some unknown things - nothing too gross yet, but I'll definitely keep it in mind.. I'm sure we'll need it one day soon.

In terms of organic wastes they so seem to love... we have both horses, cows, and the beach in abundance here.

DIMITRIS · 03-02-2013, 20:03

Hello! i am a new owner, after a loooot of research i am proud to have a csw little friend! my vlcak is a 3 months old female! I consider my self quite lucky because my puppy is a very fast learner, she knows basic orders, she learned right away to pee and shit in the sand box (she had diarrhea every half an hour and it wasn't possible to wait until she learns to do it during the walk...) and she may have a very intense bite-thing but i believe it is still normal and that it will disappear.
But the thing that worries me is that she eats poop, and not only hers but she gets maniac with EVERY poop she sees(dog, cat, human)! I am giving her supplements the vet suggested but she continues and that's why i am worried that it may be a bad habbit and not that she misses something in her food.. Any idea? i tried correction with "DON'T", I tried just ignoring it (i mean neither punish or approve it just by preventing it first.. but still nothing. Of course it is only 2 weeks that i have her but it may evolve to a problem because she does it (or tries to do it) all the time with excitement!...

saschia · 03-02-2013, 23:15

Dimitris - good luck. You can try distracting her from it and praising her very much if she reacts to you, but I am afraid you might end up with having to punish her for eating poop.

Was her problem with diarrhea solved? Did you have her checked up for parasites? Even with de-worming treatments, the pups are very prone to catching parasites. If she had problems for longer time maybe you can consult with vet to give her probiotics to keep her intestinal flora healthy.

And of course, good luck and welcome to the community!

Gypsy Wolf · 05-02-2013, 21:23

You can try putting canned crushed pineapple in her food - it makes the resulting poo taste terrible. Poo-eating is pretty common - imagine, the pups saw that their mother ate their poo to keep the nest clean, so pups often adopt same habit. Also many wild canids NORMALLY eat the poo of their prey animals (deer, etc.) and domestic dogs typically enjoy snacking on sheep, goose, cat poo, among other species' poo... current theory says that there are digestible proteins and necessary bacteria that the dog can smell in the poo, so they "self-medicate" by eating it.
Aside from the pineapple trick, you just need to prevent her from eating poo she finds - re-directing her attention to you and rewarding her attention with a "high-value" treat like a bit of cheese or sausage. It takes 6-10 weeks to stop a bad habit, and if there is regression, you are back to square one.

DIMITRIS · 07-02-2013, 16:55

Hello saschia, thanks for the advice! I made a new seperal post with the same issue ("poop eating") thats why the delay, i was checking only that..
For now, i do try preventing it, if not success then distracting, and then "Don't!" (but no further punishment) and praise her if she listens. I still wait for the vet's pills (food supplements) to do their job or prove it is a habbit or attention seeking. I am not sure but i thing there is a progress judging by the fact that she still want to eat them but like it is a routine and not with so much excitement like the first days.. i hope it is true.
In general she is reacting extremely well for a 3 months old puppy ( i guess she learns fast by copying my other adult dog) in basic commands (eye contact hearing her name,"don't", sit, come), but: i say "dont" for something (eating poo, jumb on the table etc)and she listens, then "bravo" for listening and she then repeats the bad behaviour which caused me to say "dont" at the very first place, like she thinks that the bad behavior is part of the same procedure with the final reward for listening to "dont"!.. Maybe i must try not saying "bravo" when she listens to "dont"! (its confusing me because rewarding the understanding of "no" or "dont" worked with the other dog!)
As about the diarrhea i was lucky because she just needed one more "round" of de worming pills, and it was not something more serious and now she is very normal.
That's all for now!

03-02-2013, 20:03	#6
DIMITRIS Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NORTH GREECE Posts: 5	Poop eating? Hello! i am a new owner, after a loooot of research i am proud to have a csw little friend! my vlcak is a 3 months old female! I consider my self quite lucky because my puppy is a very fast learner, she knows basic orders, she learned right away to pee and shit in the sand box (she had diarrhea every half an hour and it wasn't possible to wait until she learns to do it during the walk...) and she may have a very intense bite-thing but i believe it is still normal and that it will disappear. But the thing that worries me is that she eats poop, and not only hers but she gets maniac with EVERY poop she sees(dog, cat, human)! I am giving her supplements the vet suggested but she continues and that's why i am worried that it may be a bad habbit and not that she misses something in her food.. Any idea? i tried correction with "DON'T", I tried just ignoring it (i mean neither punish or approve it just by preventing it first.. but still nothing. Of course it is only 2 weeks that i have her but it may evolve to a problem because she does it (or tries to do it) all the time with excitement!...

03-02-2013, 23:15	#7
saschia Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bratislava Posts: 936	Dimitris - good luck. You can try distracting her from it and praising her very much if she reacts to you, but I am afraid you might end up with having to punish her for eating poop. Was her problem with diarrhea solved? Did you have her checked up for parasites? Even with de-worming treatments, the pups are very prone to catching parasites. If she had problems for longer time maybe you can consult with vet to give her probiotics to keep her intestinal flora healthy. And of course, good luck and welcome to the community! __________________ Saschia (Sasa Zahradnikova) http://www.chiens-loup-tchecoslovaqu...ei-et-damon.ws

07-02-2011, 21:50	#5
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	Oh my, I hadn't seen all the posts here!!! Thanks for the low pH soap tips! I've caught the puppy trying to roll in some unknown things - nothing too gross yet, but I'll definitely keep it in mind.. I'm sure we'll need it one day soon. In terms of organic wastes they so seem to love... we have both horses, cows, and the beach in abundance here.

05-02-2013, 21:23	#8
Gypsy Wolf Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Florida & Minnesota U.S. Posts: 252	You can try putting canned crushed pineapple in her food - it makes the resulting poo taste terrible. Poo-eating is pretty common - imagine, the pups saw that their mother ate their poo to keep the nest clean, so pups often adopt same habit. Also many wild canids NORMALLY eat the poo of their prey animals (deer, etc.) and domestic dogs typically enjoy snacking on sheep, goose, cat poo, among other species' poo... current theory says that there are digestible proteins and necessary bacteria that the dog can smell in the poo, so they "self-medicate" by eating it. Aside from the pineapple trick, you just need to prevent her from eating poo she finds - re-directing her attention to you and rewarding her attention with a "high-value" treat like a bit of cheese or sausage. It takes 6-10 weeks to stop a bad habit, and if there is regression, you are back to square one.

07-02-2013, 16:55	#9
DIMITRIS Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NORTH GREECE Posts: 5	Hello saschia, thanks for the advice! I made a new seperal post with the same issue ("poop eating") thats why the delay, i was checking only that.. For now, i do try preventing it, if not success then distracting, and then "Don't!" (but no further punishment) and praise her if she listens. I still wait for the vet's pills (food supplements) to do their job or prove it is a habbit or attention seeking. I am not sure but i thing there is a progress judging by the fact that she still want to eat them but like it is a routine and not with so much excitement like the first days.. i hope it is true. In general she is reacting extremely well for a 3 months old puppy ( i guess she learns fast by copying my other adult dog) in basic commands (eye contact hearing her name,"don't", sit, come), but: i say "dont" for something (eating poo, jumb on the table etc)and she listens, then "bravo" for listening and she then repeats the bad behaviour which caused me to say "dont" at the very first place, like she thinks that the bad behavior is part of the same procedure with the final reward for listening to "dont"!.. Maybe i must try not saying "bravo" when she listens to "dont"! (its confusing me because rewarding the understanding of "no" or "dont" worked with the other dog!) As about the diarrhea i was lucky because she just needed one more "round" of de worming pills, and it was not something more serious and now she is very normal. That's all for now!