Typical temperament of CsWs

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by jefta

yes this is Roland Starkenburg but he looks like malinois optimal bodybuild in my own opinion

No, jefta, it is wrong direction..
Old GSD do not look like malinois.
Malinois look like old GSD.

It is why malinois are at the moment the best working dogs. And GSD are the best dogs guaranting work... for veterinarians.

Take a look on the "best GSD ever" - Horand:





Look on the Siegers ("World Winners")

1902


1903


1904


1905


1906 &1907


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You can call them "malinois" but exactly this body made them so famous. And exctly because they were changed later to be a "parody" of the original they also lost their abilities to work as they were working before...

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

No, jefta, it is wrong direction..
Old GSD do not look like malinois.
Malinois look like old GSD.

It is why malinois are at the moment the best working dogs. And GSD are the best dogs guaranting work... for veterinarians.
.

I like judge from FCI I mas know standart and ... malinois now have moore similar standart to ours CSW, and GSD have very funny standart to read, when later You see whe this GSD are in reality

[yukidomari]

http://www.shawlein.com/The_Standard...eed_Types.html

A nice pictorial run through of GSD and GSD crosses (including our CsV).

PS: But the information is weird. Says about old type GSD: "breeders have developed better dogs than this, and there is no good reason to return to the past."...

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by yukidomari

http://www.shawlein.com/The_Standard...eed_Types.html

A nice pictorial run through of GSD and GSD crosses (including our CsV).

PS: But the information is weird. Says about old type GSD: "breeders have developed better dogs than this, and there is no good reason to return to the past."...

Yes I like that link, I posted it here about two years ago
Now Utonagan is added to... Mostly I like the opporturnety to see all the photos on them all at the same time

Best regards / Mikael

[wolfin]

p.s. and OFF - from 2011 years can go in dog show and breed longhair GSD too like a normal GSD. - now we have nice big bear in this breed

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by wolfin

I like judge from FCI I mas know standart and ... malinois now have moore similar standart to ours CSW, and GSD have very funny standart to read, when later You see whe this GSD are in reality

Daiva, as a judge you are very polite.... I will say it directly - todays GSDs are parody of their standard and parody of the idea of Stephanitz:

Valid GSD breed standard from 23.03.1991:
BACK: The upper line runs, without any visible break, from the set-on of the neck over the well defined withers and over the back very slightly sloping to the horizontal line.

Dogs:


(I have nothing against dogs looking like this one but they should be not called GSD but registred under another name... "New German Non-Shepherd Dog" or something like it...

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

Daiva, as a judge you are very polite.... I will say it directly - todays GSDs are parody of their standard and parody of the idea of Stephanitz:

GSD breed standard:
BACK: The upper line runs, without any visible break, from the set-on of the neck over the well defined withers and over the back very slightly sloping to the horizontal line.

Hmm.. You mas know with this we have a little problem - when speak with owners and breeders GSD now ALL ( about 95 %) say - this who are in photo are Stephanitz dreams this want and make Stephanitz

[jefta]

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

You can call them "malinois" but exactly this body made them so famous. And exctly because they were changed later to be a "parody" of the original they also lost their abilities to work as they were working before...

not only body make them famous. First of all behavior. Strong selection without evasion: extremly shy because of bad socialisation, no drive becuse..., no good results in working test because, ...
lakenois, tervueren, groenendael have identical build and often common close ancestors but they are not so good. the are selected for nice coat not behavior

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by jefta

not only body make them famous. First of all behavior. Strong selection without evasion: extremly shy because of bad socialisation, no drive becuse..., no good results in working test because, ...
lakenois, tervueren, groenendael have identical build and often common close ancestors but they are not so good. the are selected for nice coat not behavior

Yes, I agree... But if you put malinois into the "coat" of neapolitan mastiff then not even the great character will help them. They will never be good working dogs...

[loco]

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

they also lost their abilities to work as they were working before...

Just 3 different dogs who joined the World championship IPO 2010 for GSD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBv1Q...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ0G4...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWYqt...eature=related

And here 1 from a dogshow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl8O-BQaRdo

There is a different in GSD's and GSD's, there is a showline and there is a workingline all GSD, but huge different .
But there are still GSD's that love to work and can work .

Groette Martine.