Typical temperament of CsWs

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by jasmine

ahhh he is handable, touchable, not agressive and not dominant, stabil , calm and open dog.
He is easy handle male, easy to live together with him .

Never worth caracter !

... sleeping temperament very typical...

[jasmine]

very typical for what ???????

[Morian]

there is a mistake again in the thread's name. it must be "fight club"

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by wolfin

... sleeping temperament very typical...

Sorry I don´t know the dog - what was the reason why I asked my former question.
But I can´t see anything in Edits description that is 1. incompatible with the standart charakter-description and 2. that suggest a sleeping temperament (whatever this means).

So maybe it would be possible to explain why the temperament of the dog doesn´t fit the standart?

Ina

[jasmine]

I realy don't think that Gisu's behaviour doesn't fit the standard...and I'm realy happy that he is not agressive and/or dominant like many other dogs.
He is calm...sometimes too calm .
But for me much more acceptable this kind of behaviour than agressivity....(and I could write examples but I don't want to be personal....)

Edit

[z Peronówki]

I don't want to talk about Gisu but the topic is really interesting at all...

Originally Posted by jasmine

.and I'm realy happy that he is not agressive and/or dominant like many other dogs.

Why you list dominance as minus? Typical CsW males are pretty dominant - just take a look on any champion class on any bigger club show... It is (almost everytime) full a DOMINANT, self-confident males...

Originally Posted by jasmine

But for me much more acceptable this kind of behaviour than agressivity....(and I could write examples but I don't want to be personal....)

What you call "agression"? Are dogs trained for protection work "agressive"? Dogs protecting their pack show "agressive" behaviour according to you?

I just want to understand....

[jasmine]

c'on Margo...you understand very well what I wrote!

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by jasmine

c'on Margo...you understand very well what I wrote!

NO, I'm really not....

A dog with IPO is an agressive dog? CsW protecting the house or working as watch dog - is it an agressive dog? Is dominant dog an agressive dog?

[jasmine]

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

NO, I'm really not....

A dog with IPO is an agressive dog? CsW protecting the house or working as watch dog - is it an agressive dog? Is dominant dog an agressive dog?

Did I write these??? Show me where!!!

But activity , fearless etc is not equal dominancy....and also not equal with agressivity, such as dominancy is not equal agressivity also.
Moreover as csw is a tipical pack dog, they accept the pack rules.....so the position in the pack is depending on behaviour and the opposit.

And I also don't want to wrote my oppinion about working dogs.........just only one thing : if you work with malinois or gsd you surely don't want to work with csw !!!!

[martiou07]

does that exist a calm wolfdog??

the only ones that I saw which is really " calm" , to see too calm are dogs which after information are dogs under treatment....

I am not expert, far from, however, of what I see at home and of the various dogs that I could see, on their premises, in their element, are of the dogs of dominant nature, and I must acknowledge that is this difficult character which me also attract in the race ...

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

Why you list dominance as minus? Typical CsW males are pretty dominant - just take a look on any champion class on any bigger club show... It is (almost everytime) full a DOMINANT, self-confident males...

Sorry but the term "dominance" is very often (and also here) used in a totally wrong way. Dominance in the ethological point of view is not about self confidence but simply about the rank order in the pack. It is not a part of a character itself but only a term for a kind of social interactions.
A socially very expansive male that will show this behavior not only against dogs but also against humans is nothing desirable as a pet in our modern times. A self confident dog is something desirable because it will stay calmer in socially stressfull situations, being not in need to proof itself at any time. So a calm dog might be very self confident if it doesn´t see a need to get exited. That doesn´t tell anything about it´s trainability.

Ina

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

A socially very expansive male that will show this behavior not only against dogs but also against humans is nothing desirable as a pet in our modern times. A self confident dog is something desirable because it will stay calmer in socially stressfull situations, being not in need to proof itself at any time. So a calm dog might be very self confident if it doesn´t see a need to get exited. That doesn´t tell anything about it´s trainability.
Ina

What you described as a "top of dominance" is not typical for dogs with really strong characters but exactly for weaker individuals.
Expansive dogs which are also "sure" about their strengt are much harder to provoke. Sure, if they decide that somebody crossed the line the reaction will be hard.

The top of the pack is always a calmer individual. Self-confident dog which do not need to attack other pack members. Exactly the "second" dog tend to be more agressive: weaker animals which are affraid to "loose" what they "own" tend to be more agressive...

Dogs are not much different than people - they accept voluntarily charismatic leaders. Calm but self confident. Agressive tyrants have small chances to be accepted (and it makes them more and more angry).

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

What you described as a "top of dominance" is not typical for dogs with really strong characters but exactly for weaker individuals.
Expansive dogs which are also "sure" about their strengt are much harder to provoke. Sure, if they decide that somebody crossed the line the reaction will be hard.
.

This is not what I ment with social expansive. We bred all our dogs with less desire to be the head of the pack than an average adult wolf will show. It is what Zimen and Lorenz called "Verkindlichung". In social behaviour against humans dogs don´t get fully mature. And they also show less drive in fighting for privileges and rank position. Though there are dogs with more drive than others and with higher conflict-potential than others with their human family. Irish Wolfhounds for example normally aren´t very interested in rank orders anyway, they have one but "so what", they don´t care very much.

[z Peronówki]

One important addition:

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

A socially very expansive male that will show this behavior not only against dogs but also against humans is nothing desirable as a pet in our modern times.

What you described (dogs which "love" to show their "dominanca") I personally call a "Wolfdog with character of Caucasian Ovtcharka". I would describe them not as problematic but simply as not typical.....

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

One important addition:



What you described (dogs which "love" to show their "dominanca") I personally call a "Wolfdog with character of Caucasian Ovtcharka". I would describe them not as problematic but simply as not typical.....

Well, I also don´t find them problematic but most people do. And if handled the wrong way they are very problematic.

Ina