"Puppy Fat" & Coat Length Questions

Gypsy Wolf · 22-07-10, 18:35

Yes - there are some posted on my Facebook page - http://www.facebook.com/saradonadei
Go to the photos section.
Luna has a plush coat, whereas Pollux's is a "close" coat - Nebulosa on this forum has a picture below the signatur line of a CsV in profile laying down, chin on paws - Pollux has that coat.
Luna's is more "fluffy" with a full "collarette" and pointy cheek fur and her tail and "pants" are bushier.

jefta · 22-07-10, 19:36

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lupis · 25-07-10, 23:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lunas Mom

Luna has a plush coat, whereas Pollux's is a "close" coat - Nebulosa on this forum has a picture below the signatur line of a CsV in profile laying down, chin on paws - Pollux has that coat.

Is photo of Pollux and Luna?

On photo dog on right have normal coat. And on left has much too short coat - not good for wolfdog.

Nebulosa · 26-07-10, 01:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by lupis

On photo dog on right have normal coat. And on left has much too short coat - not good for wolfdog.

It's not so easy to judge, they're in summer now and depending of where they live in USA now would be a very hot weather, like here.
Then, the coat will variate depending on "how long already makes that he changed the coat" and "wich was the temperature in this time period", Also my experience shows that imported dogs often shows bigger difference in the coat change than "native dogs" or even dogs that came to the country very yung, for what I know Pollux was imported and traveled alone, so I beat that he had traveled with minimaly 2 months, probably about 4 months (??), already Luna is a "native dog", so does not wonder me such kind of difference.
I think in this photo Pollux was with a very new summer coat, so it's probably shorter than it realy is, as it's developing still.

Gypsy Wolf · 26-07-10, 07:37

Yes, the above picture is of Pollux and Luna. In Malinois, I see similar coat length differences. The "plush" dogs tend to produce Tervuren in their litters from time to time.
Luna was born in the United States and has been with me from 8 weeks old, Pollux arrived here from Hungary at about 9 weeks old. We live in Florida - SOUTH Florida and it's summer, so it is hot.
Neither has shed out any coat - both just seem to have continued to carry the coat that they had from puppyhood, though Luna's has gotten plusher.
I don't see anywhere in the standards for the breed about specific coat length. I also see that Pollux's coat is very similar to actual wolf pups the same age.
I am also curious to see how their coats develop living here in Florida, where it is ALWAYS summer! My other dogs have normal coats for their breed, just not as dense and thick in the winter, though I have traveled from my home here in FL to cold winter places and they have never needed any sort of "blanket" to keep them warm.
In the show ring, it seems the judges prefer plusher coats in Malinois and German Shepherd Dogs, but the "close" coat is not "wrong"... why is it not good in a vlcak?

Blitzen · 26-07-10, 11:01

Thanks Lupis, that's quite a difference! I hadn't seen a vlcak with such a close coat before. Are they quite few and far between? Both look very happy on their bridge

michaelundinaeichhorn · 26-07-10, 11:18

Hi,

before the first winter and the first change of the coat (if you have that at all in the south of Florida, you probably have to keep him in a freezer for a while

...) you cannot say anything about the coat length and the density.
Our wolfcubs for example had a very close coat, similar to the dog on the left of the picture during summer and you should have seen them in February, 9 months old by then...
So buy a big freezer and wait.

Michael

jasmine · 26-07-10, 11:25

Pollux has just change his puppy coat , moreover there is hot summer. A male csw will be ready as they reach 2 years old, including even the coat .
There are big differences inbetween summer coat and winter coat.
I surely don't say "not good for wolfdog" But as Lupis hasn't got any wolfdog, he surely has a lot of experiences in this topic as well ................

Edit

Rona · 26-07-10, 13:44

Jezebeth in Feb. 2008 just before her trip to Brazil:

....a month later in Brazil:

and in June 2010 (Brazilian winter!)

Compare with the wolf: Macko in summer coat:

and the same wolf in winter coat:

All photos taken from WD gallery.

Blitzen, don't listen to people like Lupis, who treat this forum as his own fighting ring

CSV do have coat faults, but it's a bit more complicated than he'd like to present it. E.g. see this link: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1162

lugardopoco · 26-07-10, 22:40

You should see pictures of Iberic Wolfs during the winter and the summer! You just don’t recognize them! In the winter they look like Malamutes. In the summer they look like something the cat brought home! J
We have a big difference in temperature and moisture between winter and summer so the animals adapt.
It seems to happen the same with CWDs. Their faire just adapts to the environment. I don’t think it’s a matter for you to worry. Just give them time and they will adapt. That’s the great thing about CWDs! They do adapt! They are not tied to the original morphology. They still have survival skills! If I’m being to poetic, please correct me.
Greetings:
Miguel

22-07-10, 19:36	#2
jefta Call Me Sexy Srdcervac Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Wroclaw Posts: 1233	unfortunetly your photos section is not visible for guests __________________

26-07-10, 11:18	#7
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2249	Hi, before the first winter and the first change of the coat (if you have that at all in the south of Florida, you probably have to keep him in a freezer for a while...) you cannot say anything about the coat length and the density. Our wolfcubs for example had a very close coat, similar to the dog on the left of the picture during summer and you should have seen them in February, 9 months old by then... So buy a big freezer and wait. Michael

26-07-10, 11:25	#8
jasmine Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 188	Pollux has just change his puppy coat , moreover there is hot summer. A male csw will be ready as they reach 2 years old, including even the coat . There are big differences inbetween summer coat and winter coat. I surely don't say "not good for wolfdog" But as Lupis hasn't got any wolfdog, he surely has a lot of experiences in this topic as well ................ Edit Last edited by jasmine : 26-07-10 at 11:40

26-07-10, 13:44	#9
Rona Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Kraków Posts: 3509	Jezebeth in Feb. 2008 just before her trip to Brazil: ....a month later in Brazil: and in June 2010 (Brazilian winter!) Compare with the wolf: Macko in summer coat: and the same wolf in winter coat: All photos taken from WD gallery. Blitzen, don't listen to people like Lupis, who treat this forum as his own fighting ring CSV do have coat faults, but it's a bit more complicated than he'd like to present it. E.g. see this link: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1162 __________________

22-07-10, 18:35	#1
Gypsy Wolf Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Florida & Minnesota U.S. Posts: 252	Yes - there are some posted on my Facebook page - http://www.facebook.com/saradonadei Go to the photos section. Luna has a plush coat, whereas Pollux's is a "close" coat - Nebulosa on this forum has a picture below the signatur line of a CsV in profile laying down, chin on paws - Pollux has that coat. Luna's is more "fluffy" with a full "collarette" and pointy cheek fur and her tail and "pants" are bushier.

26-07-10, 07:37	#5
Gypsy Wolf Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Florida & Minnesota U.S. Posts: 252	Yes, the above picture is of Pollux and Luna. In Malinois, I see similar coat length differences. The "plush" dogs tend to produce Tervuren in their litters from time to time. Luna was born in the United States and has been with me from 8 weeks old, Pollux arrived here from Hungary at about 9 weeks old. We live in Florida - SOUTH Florida and it's summer, so it is hot. Neither has shed out any coat - both just seem to have continued to carry the coat that they had from puppyhood, though Luna's has gotten plusher. I don't see anywhere in the standards for the breed about specific coat length. I also see that Pollux's coat is very similar to actual wolf pups the same age. I am also curious to see how their coats develop living here in Florida, where it is ALWAYS summer! My other dogs have normal coats for their breed, just not as dense and thick in the winter, though I have traveled from my home here in FL to cold winter places and they have never needed any sort of "blanket" to keep them warm. In the show ring, it seems the judges prefer plusher coats in Malinois and German Shepherd Dogs, but the "close" coat is not "wrong"... why is it not good in a vlcak?

26-07-10, 11:01	#6
Blitzen Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 19	Thanks Lupis, that's quite a difference! I hadn't seen a vlcak with such a close coat before. Are they quite few and far between? Both look very happy on their bridge

26-07-10, 22:40	#10
lugardopoco Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mafra Posts: 46	You should see pictures of Iberic Wolfs during the winter and the summer! You just don’t recognize them! In the winter they look like Malamutes. In the summer they look like something the cat brought home! J We have a big difference in temperature and moisture between winter and summer so the animals adapt. It seems to happen the same with CWDs. Their faire just adapts to the environment. I don’t think it’s a matter for you to worry. Just give them time and they will adapt. That’s the great thing about CWDs! They do adapt! They are not tied to the original morphology. They still have survival skills! If I’m being to poetic, please correct me. Greetings: Miguel