What is an interesting pedigree?

[Hanka]

I hope early will be on czech club page list of all czech males. Now we have about 130 breeding males in 8 groups. For me are pups with "interest pedigree" pupps with father from some "small" group.
Now we had here in Czech two spring bonitations, so we have some fresh breeding males. I think, when somebody add them to their "blood" groups, they will be officially on list, for seeing for breeders.
But I am not sure, if this list will be visible for people not registred on czech club pages. I am not admin.......
I don´t speak about show results, about champions, etc. I speak ONLY about blood. It is important.
But now czech club arrange club conferention, so I think nobody in this moment work on this fresh list of males.

[elf]

Interested about those 8 groups, how are they built: i.e. which criterions are used ? If these criterions are consistent it's something that easily can be automated in silico, with the benefit for exemple to easily simulated which mating fall into group X or Y, and so on.

[Hanka]

Wow Elf, you know my bad english and you want explain something from me?
So I try it. I write you situation in czech breeding to date 1.2.2010, because fresh dogs from spring bonitations are not included. Maybe Pavel or somebody can corect my grammatic mistakes:
GROUP I: males which keeps in father line blood of Rep z PS over male Gar z Rosíkova (16 breeding males, but 8 without children in CZ)
GROUP II: males which keeps in father line blood of Rep z PS, in their pedigries are Cézar od Pavlišina and Káj z Rosíkova (24 males, but 12 from them without children in CZ)
GROUP III: males which have blood of Binc and Candiff Pohostinstvo ( Rep z PS x Gyra z Pohraniční stráže). In this moment 6 breeding males, but 2 without children in CZ and one male older than 10 years!!
GROUP IV:Rep z PS, in pedigries of dogs is blood of Astor Moťovský dvor (son of Nuk z PS) in this moment only 6 males, but 3 males without children in CZ. In this group are usually dogs with very good working character.
GROUP V: males with blood of Bak and Barry z Doušova dvora (Eramis Vopa)
In this moment (February) 11 breeding males in this group, but 8 without children in CZ, 1 male older than 10 years!! We want more of his pups.
GROUP VI: Blood of Amur z Ďáblova kaňonu. 33!!!! breeding males in this group. 24 without pups in CZ, 4 males older than 10 years. Usually they are children of all "Reolup" males. I think, in some countries are almost ONLY dogs from this group. We "need not" to have this group larger and larger. We need other groups for genopool of wolfdogs in the World. It is a pitty, in other countries don´t exist clubs with breeding comissions, because nobody care about genopool of all population.
GROUP VII: In the begin it was blood of Kazan z PS. But in genealogy line we have not his blood, so we keep this group over blood of his daughters. Thanks to "old czech club goverment and old breeding comission" we lost males from this blood. In this moment we have only old male Amarok Šedý chlup and "young" Akeenah Runar Waawanyanka. So we added to this group some males which have "a little of Kazan blood" too. In this group is only 7 breeding males, but 5 without children in CZ.
GROUP VIII: New group created from males with blood of Ajax and Alan Břevnovská stopa. There is only 9 breeding males, but 3 without children in CZ, one male is older than 10 years!!!
My uthopic dream is: other countries in Evropa will help to keep groups which need to help. The breeders in Evropa will use males from small groups. It is right breeding work. Not traveling to champions over all Evropa only for "wolfish pups" or next champions. In this moment we keep genopool for other countries too. Yes, there are "not nice" dogs too. But important is genopool, not showtitles.
Elf, sorry about my bad english, maybe is something bad in my sentences.

[Mikael]

I was thinking that I did remember wrong...
"7 groups" but now I see there is a new one

Good work and thanks Hanka for explaining / Mikael

[elf]

Thanks for explanations Hanka (and don't worry for you english which is as mine).

I can add something in the stat tool with these rules, but I did not understood the separation between groups because you can have dogs who belong to more than one group.

[Hanka]

Yes, I know. Sometimes can be male in more groups, but there is important for example Rep z PS, BUT OVER male XY......
Because almost all dogs have Rep

[elf]

Yeah Rep z PS is every living CSV pedigrees, no exception. I was more thinking about Gar z Rosíkova.


Tell me if this is correct:

- for group I and II, you only check for father line ? And for other group you check for all ancestors (father and mother lines) ?

- for group II, when you write "in their pedigries are Cézar od Pavlišina and Káj z Rosíkova", to be in group II dogs should have both Cézar and Káj, or only one of them is enough ?


I'm going to add those groups classification in the tool, same groups are also used by Slovak club or do they have their own ?